On 24/03/2011 16:01, Mike Harris wrote:
Peter
I think the attitude of Councils varies a bit from place to place. For
example, two Councils (qua Highway Authorities) that I deal with on a
very regular basis both state that the definitive map data is
available for public use so long as we do not actually copy the
underlying OS base map.
By law all Councils have to make the Definitive Map (and Definitive
Statement) available for public inspection at their offices.
Many Councils will also have various publicly available databases that
they have created themselves that are contain no actual mapping at all
(but might contain OS grid references rather that latitude and
longitude as a means of defining locations).
Congratulations on taking the initiative that you have, as greater
clarity would be most helpful in view of the fact that the Public
Sector Mapping Agreement is now in force.
Council contacts are absolutely clear that OS makes no claim to PRoW
data - they access it from the Highway Authorities in the same way as
anyone else and are allowed to put it on their maps (although they add
careful legal disclaimers as to its non-authoritative status).
Mike
On 19:59, Peter Miller wrote:
On 23 March 2011 19:25, TimSC <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is part of an email I sent to a few councils regarding
rights of way data (footpaths, bridleways, etc):
I have a big and fairly complicated request regarding the
definitive map. I am interested in making data more accessible
to the public (as encouraged by central government [1]). It
would be great if the rights of way data could be released
without restriction, specifically the definite map. As you
probably know, the rights of way data is derived from Ordnance
Survey products which until now has prevented this data being
released without restriction because of copyright. However OS
will soon introduce the Public Sector Mapping Agreement which
defines how government bodies can use OS products [2]. This
includes a new mechanism for public bodies to request datasets
that have been derived from OS products to be release either
licensed as "OS OpenData" or "Free to Use" (section 2.5 of the
license [3]).
[1] http://data.gov.uk/
[2]
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/
[3]
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/docs/psma-member-licence.pdf
Kent County Council wrote back:
Dear Mr Sheerman-Chase
Thank you for your email.
I will forward your suggestions and comments to the Head of the
Service
and Definitive Map Team.
Kind regards
Countryside Access Service
Does anyone have any ideas on how to actually get the councils to
apply to OS to exempt their data and release it? Currently, I get
the impression that they don't rate data openness as a high
priority - they just nod and smile until I go away. It would be
good to get this data for quality assurance or even ... dun dun
dunnnnn... importing. Could we start a petition? Or use any
contacts the community has to make this happen? Any other data
sets worth liberating?
Once we have set a precedent, it should be easier to get other
councils to comply, because of the way the OS exemption process
works.
Technically I believe that the rights of way on the OS mapping is
derived from the legal documentation provided by the council. As it
happens I was talking to someone who was in a position to know about
this recently and he said that the OS don't even claim ownership of
rights of way data.
Also. my understanding is that Kent are particularly proactive on
open data. This youtube presentation is worth looking at even though
it seems to be about their map interface. Clearly they are talking
the talk on open data.
http://sparkdev.co.uk/showcase/show/open-kent
Here is another link. Carol Patrick seems to be the person to talk to.
http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=9274627
Regards,
Peter
Thoughts?
Regards, TimSC
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