OK, thanks for that.

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On 23/10/2013 12:14, Derry Hamilton wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
I think that was exactly the basis of BMC vs Rockfax. The BMC author had put up and named several routes specifically for the guide book, and there was no other original source for those names, so the BMC sued and lost when Rockfax published a guide that included those routes. The route name, its location and way up were held to be statements of fact and thus un copyrightable, but that descriptions, topo, grade etc. were copyrightable.

Thanks,
Derry


On 23 October 2013 12:06, Jonathan <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I wasn't thinking they could name the physical place but more the
    route up. They could devise a particular route up a cliff,
    involving certain techniques maybe and give it name that they may
    claim is proprietary.  So while we could survey and map the route
    we maybe infringing their intellectual property to name it as they
    have in their guide???  I don't know, just surmising.

    Just like you can download and compile your own version of Firefox
but you can't distribute it as Firefox with their permission! Hence Iceweasel :-)

    Jonathan

    http://bigfatfrog67.me

    On 23/10/2013 11:27, Nick Whitelegg wrote:

    Don't know if you can do that on hills too?

    If there's an unnamed hill somewhere I'll call it "Proprietary
    Peak" and charge people one million pounds to use it. ;-)

    Nick

    -----Jonathan <[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: -----
    To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    From: Jonathan <[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]>
    Date: 23/10/2013 11:17AM
    Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

    Hi Derry,

    I'm no lawyer, but if the route name was first used in a copyrighted
    publication and never used before that publication then they
    *may* have
    claim to it.  Bear in mind that while a route name may not be
    covered by
    copyright it may be covered by a trademark!?

    Jonathan

    http://bigfatfrog67.me

    On 23/10/2013 07:43, Derry Hamilton wrote:
    > Opinions I've seen are that route names are not copyrightable, any
    > more than road or mountain names.


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