I think a certain amount of judgement has to be applied when mapping, and recognising that trademarks are limited in scope. I suspect mapping the route "Nike Air Max" http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=233225 might be a bad idea. But mapping "Nike" http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=17702 when it's sat next to "Pegasus" is probably in the clear.
For me, mapping the crag and one or two landmark routes would provide most of the usefulness; "Do they mean that cliff with a tree half way up, or /that/ cliff with a tree half way up, and which of these vague paths through the woods do I take to get there?" The wiki proposal suggests mapping a vertical climb as a POI at the botom (and making that the minimum for climbs), and creating a way where there's significant horizontal distance (which ountain multi-pitching often has). On 23 October 2013 12:12, Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote: > As I said, I'm not a lawyer, just erring on the side of caution. My > worry is that if you add the "Nike Chimney" (fake name) as a climbing > route, we may be using something that is not without legal encumbrance. > I'm just paranoid :-) > > I would suggest that if anyone goes out, surveys and climbs their own > route and then uploads to OSM then that would be fine. > > On a further note, I don't know how you map a vertical route on a flat map? > > Jonathan > > http://bigfatfrog67.me > > On 23/10/2013 11:54, Derry Hamilton wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, > I believe the lack of copyright on route names and location was settled > in BMC vs Rockfax, when the BMC sued on exactly that basis and lost, but I > don't have a cite to hand. > > Thanks, > Derry > > > On 23 October 2013 11:13, Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Derry, >> >> I'm no lawyer, but if the route name was first used in a copyrighted >> publication and never used before that publication then they *may* have >> claim to it. Bear in mind that while a route name may not be covered by >> copyright it may be covered by a trademark!? >> >> Jonathan >> >> http://bigfatfrog67.me >> >> >> On 23/10/2013 07:43, Derry Hamilton wrote: >> >>> Opinions I've seen are that route names are not copyrightable, any more >>> than road or mountain names. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing > [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >
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