Left and right is decided by the direction of the osm-way. Not by east/west/north/south.
BTW, in Brussels we have streets with 4 official names : left/right, French/Dutch :-) On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Steven Horner <[email protected]>wrote: > Thank you all for the advice, although it may have confused me all the > more with different suggestions. > > Personally I like Marc's suggestion of using the 2 street names separated > by a hyphen. This allows both names to be rendered. Then identifying each > street with left and right tags. How do you chose which is which if the > road runs East to West? > > I'm amazed this doesn't crop up constantly, any old terraced streets with > a road separating them would have the issue. I can think of about a dozen > streets within 1 mile of me where this is the case. > > I will do some more investigation and look at several different mapped > areas to see how they have been tagged, doesn't sound like there is a > definitive answer. > > Regards, > Steven > On 15 May 2014 08:01, "Marc Gemis" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Let me first introduce myself, I'm a Belgian mapper that has been lurking >> for a few months on this mailing list. The reason is that I want to learn >> how other communities work and which problems they have and how they solve >> them. >> >> Now back to the topic: in Belgium it's quite common to have streets with >> two names, at least when they are on the border of two villages. The >> Belgian community decided to map this as follows: >> name = name1 - name2 >> name:left = name1 >> name:right = name2 >> >> An example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/207455046 >> >> What are your thoughts about this ? >> >> regards >> >> m >> >> >> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:07 PM, SK53 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> There are at least two major streets in the middle of >>> Nottingham<http://osm.org/go/eu8Y~fqF2?layers=N>like this: logically the >>> street does not have a name, the sides of the >>> street have names: >>> >>> - North of the Council House, the S side is Smith Row, the N side is >>> Long Row >>> - South of the Council House, the S side is Poultry, the N side >>> Cheapside (originally Rotten Row) >>> >>> These names originate as locations in the market square, as can be seen >>> by other survivals such as Beastmarket Hill. Where the square is now an >>> open plaza the name of the rows of buildings have been transferred to the >>> thoroughfare. The addresses on Cheapside are even more complex because the >>> shops also have entrances in Exchange Arcade and are let as units of this >>> shopping arcade. The Austin Reed shop appears to have at least 4 addresses >>> from the Royal Mail, OS, Nottingham council & Austin Reed website: all in >>> all a mess. >>> >>> Other places where this occurs include: Sherwin Road/Castle >>> Boulevard<http://osm.org/go/eu8Y2Tvhr?layers=N>, >>> where the W end of Sherwin Road has houses with Castle Boulevard addresses >>> on the S side. In this case I resolved it by tagging the footpath with the >>> Caste Boulevard name. This discrepancy arose because the two roads were >>> merged when the roundabout was built in the 1920s. >>> >>> I recently noticed a case where the Land Registry data for a small new >>> build terrace had been resolved by using the name of the terrace as a >>> building name. Fail. In some towns (Bangor, N. Wales, comes to mind) many >>> houses were built as named terraces with numbers within the terrace. >>> Although Bangor has been relatively recently house-numbered a simple >>> inspection of addresses painted on rubbish bins suggests that the original >>> addresses are still in use. >>> >>> Broadly speaking we should try and do this better than the OS Open Data >>> because it does happen fairly frequently. name:left and name:right can be >>> used even if no-one consumes them at present. It is useful to try and map >>> addresses in such cases, and these are the one case where I am happy to use >>> the associatedStreet relation. This at least enables the correct grouping >>> of entities for the 'street'. >>> >>> Perhaps the challenge is twofold: >>> >>> - Persuading people that streets with addresses might not be named. >>> (The Royal Mail seems generally to adopt a Procrustean solution to force >>> everything to fit PAF). >>> - Working out how to consume such data (mainly for rendering). >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 14 May 2014 10:07, Richard Mann <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> There's one like that in Oxford (for about 30 metres) - street >>>> addresses different on the two sides. For the moment it has name="St >>>> Clements Street", alt_name="London Place", and a separate footway with >>>> name="London Place" (plus a name:note). >>>> >>>> So my suggestion - draw separate footways, and give them names. Use >>>> name/alt_name on the road, or name = "one name / other name" if both seem >>>> equally valid. >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Steven Horner <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> It's interesting and highlights a few problems local to me, some I had >>>>> buried my head in the sand temporarily because I don't know how to fix >>>>> them >>>>> correctly. My biggest problem when tagging roads is what to name a road >>>>> when either side of the road is a different street. For instance the >>>>> analysis highlights "Myrtle Grove" as missing here: >>>>> http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/map_browser?bbox=415474,536751,415809,537148&referrer=area >>>>> >>>>> Myrtle grove is the South side of the road labeled Chestnut Grove and >>>>> continues around to where the Road is labeled Elm Gardens. Almost all of >>>>> the streets in the estate are like this, where it is very misleading >>>>> because opposite sides of the road is a different named street. How should >>>>> this be mapped, I have steered clear of fixing it because I couldn't find >>>>> any guidance on how it should be labeled and technically is it even wrong. >>>>> The actual building footprints I have added the correct addresses to. >>>>> >>>>> I use various OS products in my day job and interestingly OSM labels >>>>> the streets exactly the same as Vectormap Local does, anyone looking at >>>>> either OS or OSM maps would not be able to find Myrtle Grove. Another >>>>> street where I have always though was labeled wrong in the village is >>>>> Roddymoor Road, there is no street sign and I have near heard anyone refer >>>>> to it as this. The street on part of this road is not labeled (buildings >>>>> are) it is East Terrace and that's how anyone describing it or looking at >>>>> signs would describe it. Again OS do this the same which is probably why >>>>> OSM has it tagged like this. >>>>> >>>>> All of this highlights that while OS Locator may have a difference and >>>>> is fantastic for finding potential problems, changing it so OS Locator >>>>> comparisons are 100% may not be the correct solution? >>>>> >>>>> Any help appreciated and apologies if I should ask in a different >>>>> list, surely this is an incredibly common problem that I have somehow >>>>> missed the obvious solution to. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Steven >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Shaun McDonald < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ITO’s OSM Analysis has been updated with the latest OS Locator data. >>>>>> Most places have dropped out of the 100% completeness compared to OS >>>>>> Locator. There’s now 18 places which have less than 95% completeness. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/main >>>>>> >>>>>> Shaun McDonald >>>>>> Developer >>>>>> ITO World >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.stevenhorner.com <http://www.stevenhorner.com> >>>>> @stevenhorner <http://twitter.com/stevenhorner> >>>>> 0191 645 2265 >>>>> stevenhorner >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >>
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