On Thu, 2014-05-15 at 09:46 +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: > Left and right is decided by the direction of the osm-way. Not by > east/west/north/south. > > > BTW, in Brussels we have streets with 4 official names : left/right, > French/Dutch :-) > > Rather than left/right should we not be using forward/reverse (or is it backwards) as with sidewalk tagging?
One question I also have, if a road is reversed does forward/reverse tagging get automatically corrected? Phil (trigpoint) > > > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Steven Horner > <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you all for the advice, although it may have confused me > all the more with different suggestions. > > Personally I like Marc's suggestion of using the 2 street > names separated by a hyphen. This allows both names to be > rendered. Then identifying each street with left and right > tags. How do you chose which is which if the road runs East to > West? > > I'm amazed this doesn't crop up constantly, any old terraced > streets with a road separating them would have the issue. I > can think of about a dozen streets within 1 mile of me where > this is the case. > > I will do some more investigation and look at several > different mapped areas to see how they have been tagged, > doesn't sound like there is a definitive answer. > > Regards, > Steven > > On 15 May 2014 08:01, "Marc Gemis" <[email protected]> > wrote: > Let me first introduce myself, I'm a Belgian mapper > that has been lurking for a few months on this mailing > list. The reason is that I want to learn how other > communities work and which problems they have and how > they solve them. > > > Now back to the topic: in Belgium it's quite common to > have streets with two names, at least when they are on > the border of two villages. The Belgian community > decided to map this as follows: > name = name1 - name2 > name:left = name1 > name:right = name2 > > > An example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/207455046 > > > What are your thoughts about this ? > > > regards > > > m > > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:07 PM, SK53 > <[email protected]> wrote: > There are at least two major streets in the > middle of Nottingham like this: logically the > street does not have a name, the sides of the > street have names: > * North of the Council House, the S side > is Smith Row, the N side is Long Row > * South of the Council House, the S side > is Poultry, the N side Cheapside > (originally Rotten Row) > > These names originate as locations in the > market square, as can be seen by other > survivals such as Beastmarket Hill. Where the > square is now an open plaza the name of the > rows of buildings have been transferred to the > thoroughfare. The addresses on Cheapside are > even more complex because the shops also have > entrances in Exchange Arcade and are let as > units of this shopping arcade. The Austin Reed > shop appears to have at least 4 addresses from > the Royal Mail, OS, Nottingham council & > Austin Reed website: all in all a mess. > > > Other places where this occurs include: > Sherwin Road/Castle Boulevard, where the W end > of Sherwin Road has houses with Castle > Boulevard addresses on the S side. In this > case I resolved it by tagging the footpath > with the Caste Boulevard name. This > discrepancy arose because the two roads were > merged when the roundabout was built in the > 1920s. > > > I recently noticed a case where the Land > Registry data for a small new build terrace > had been resolved by using the name of the > terrace as a building name. Fail. In some > towns (Bangor, N. Wales, comes to mind) many > houses were built as named terraces with > numbers within the terrace. Although Bangor > has been relatively recently house-numbered a > simple inspection of addresses painted on > rubbish bins suggests that the original > addresses are still in use. > > Broadly speaking we should try and do this > better than the OS Open Data because it does > happen fairly frequently. name:left and > name:right can be used even if no-one consumes > them at present. It is useful to try and map > addresses in such cases, and these are the one > case where I am happy to use the > associatedStreet relation. This at least > enables the correct grouping of entities for > the 'street'. > > Perhaps the challenge is twofold: > > * Persuading people that streets with > addresses might not be named. (The > Royal Mail seems generally to adopt a > Procrustean solution to force > everything to fit PAF). > * Working out how to consume such data > (mainly for rendering). > > Jerry > > > > > > On 14 May 2014 10:07, Richard Mann > <[email protected]> wrote: > There's one like that in Oxford (for > about 30 metres) - street addresses > different on the two sides. For the > moment it has name="St Clements > Street", alt_name="London Place", and > a separate footway with name="London > Place" (plus a name:note). > > > So my suggestion - draw separate > footways, and give them names. Use > name/alt_name on the road, or name = > "one name / other name" if both seem > equally valid. > > > Richard > > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:30 AM, > Steven Horner > <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > > It's interesting and > highlights a few problems > local to me, some I had buried > my head in the sand > temporarily because I don't > know how to fix them > correctly. My biggest problem > when tagging roads is what to > name a road when either side > of the road is a different > street. For instance the > analysis highlights "Myrtle > Grove" as missing > here: > http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/map_browser?bbox=415474,536751,415809,537148&referrer=area > > > Myrtle grove is the South side > of the road labeled Chestnut > Grove and continues around to > where the Road is labeled Elm > Gardens. Almost all of the > streets in the estate are like > this, where it is very > misleading because opposite > sides of the road is a > different named street. How > should this be mapped, I have > steered clear of fixing it > because I couldn't find any > guidance on how it should be > labeled and technically is it > even wrong. The actual > building footprints I have > added the correct addresses > to. > > > I use various OS products in > my day job and interestingly > OSM labels the streets exactly > the same as Vectormap Local > does, anyone looking at either > OS or OSM maps would not be > able to find Myrtle Grove. > Another street where I have > always though was labeled > wrong in the village is > Roddymoor Road, there is no > street sign and I have near > heard anyone refer to it as > this. The street on part of > this road is not labeled > (buildings are) it is East > Terrace and that's how anyone > describing it or looking at > signs would describe it. Again > OS do this the same which is > probably why OSM has it tagged > like this. > > > All of this highlights that > while OS Locator may have a > difference and is fantastic > for finding potential > problems, changing it so OS > Locator comparisons are 100% > may not be the correct > solution? > > > Any help appreciated and > apologies if I should ask in a > different list, surely this is > an incredibly common problem > that I have somehow missed the > obvious solution to. > > > regards, > Steven > > > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:24 > PM, Shaun McDonald > <[email protected]> > wrote: > ITO’s OSM Analysis has > been updated with the > latest OS Locator > data. Most places have > dropped out of the > 100% completeness > compared to OS > Locator. 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