On 12/02/2016 13:15, Colin Smale wrote:
According to Wikipedia, ...
... I wouldn't assume that what wikipedia says has any particular
relevance with respect to how something is mapped in OSM. The language
used in the English wikipedia is a mix of American and English (and
other) usages, and how things are mapped in OSM doesn't always match
"common [British] English usage".
it is country-dependent.
That, however, is entirely correct. The Irish, for example have a very
clear idea of what their "cities" are. It's less clear on this side of
the Irish Sea.
In the UK of course it is a matter of status to be called a City, and
there is an unambiguous list of cities.
That's the legal definition, not the OSM one. Perhaps you are
unfamiliar with the previous discussion, but this has been done to death
before. See these threads among others:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-February/thread.html#15867
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/thread.html#15982
and particularly this post:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/015983.html
which makes it clear why using the "legal city definition" might not
make sense in OSM _across the board_. It might in some places (it's
essentially what the Irish do, I believe), but I'd argue it doesn't here
because of e.g. St David's (see below) and Telford, which despite its
size doesn't really feel like a city to me - although if someone more
local says I'm wrong, I'll believe them.
This list can only be changed by the Crown through parliament. The
smallest city is St Davids in Wales, with a population of 1841 (2011
figure). Any attempt to retag it in OSM to place=village will probably
be reverted within 0.1 nanoseconds....
I'd be interested to see the history of St David's. The current node
http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=3712052604
was only created in August 2015; I wonder what it was before?
.... but it is a point of civic pride for the inhabitants as the
council becomes a Town Council ...
A number of places _call_ themselves a town council, because they can.
It's pretty irrelevant to status in OSM. See Jerry's post above (from
that for example I'd call Bingham a town and Keyworth not because that's
what they feel like to me).
What doesn't work with city/town/village classification is someone
diving in and making lots of changes without explaining why; what does
is a bit of discussion first so that we know that yes, there are still
different opinions on this and that of the various options XYZ tagging
has the least oponents.
Cheers,
Andy
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