Ah yes 'soccer' as a corruption of 'Association' to distinguish it from the other football, 'rugger'. Very timely. A good example of a tag that has gained common usage although being incorrect English. I play a lot of football and it burns to call it soccer, but needs must.
What is the general consensus on fixing tags? On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 at 02:06, Warin <[email protected]> wrote: > This arises out of my edits targeting sport=football and trying to > resolve these into a 'good' value. 'SomeoneElse' suggest this should be > discussed here. Well ok. > The discussion may disintegrate into 2 things - 'soccer is an > Americanism' and 'football is common usage'. > > ---------------------------- Americanism? > > Apparently 'soccer' comes from Oxford, England ... > > http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/ > > So not an Americanism. > > ---------------------- Common Usage. My view. > I will support and defend the use of British English. > I will support precision in tagging terminology. > I do not support confusion. > > The term 'football' is confusing in world terms (ref > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)) and I cannot support it > use. > And the term 'soccer' is recognised in British English ... > http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/soccer "A form of > football..." > Thus a more precise word to use compared to 'football' > http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/football "Any of > various forms of team game involving kicking..." > Thus 'football' encompasses many games. > The term soccer is precise, well understood (in both British and world > terms) and should be used. Precision before what some claim is 'common > use' for me. > > (If you question my support of British English see > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:sport%3Dshot-put .. and > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop) > > ---------------------------- OSM Usage - to demonstrate British majority > agreement. > > Some samples using overpass turbo . > (Chose a small area so it does not time out - particularly for soccer, I > picked these at random to give a sample .. feel free to do your own) > http://overpass-turbo.eu/ > Use the wizard enter 'sport=football' and then run, repeat with wizard > 'sport=soccer' - numerical results at bottom right of the screen. > Results: > London area ~200 football ~10,000 soccer > Birmingham area ~16 football ~2,400 soccer > Liverpool-Manchester area ~130 football ~6,600 soccer > Glasgow- Edinburgh area ~80 football ~6,500 soccer > > The vast majority use soccer! Say ~98% soccer and ~2% football. > I would think there is a majority support for sport=soccer here too. > > ------------------------------------ What I think should be done. > There is a small improvement to OSM data consistency and understanding > to be had by looking at all the features using the tag > sport=football > and changing it to > sport=soccer > where it can be determined that the sport is actually soccer. > Where that cannot be determined a fixme tag could be placed to indicate > further work. > I am not proposing some automated edit ... each needs to be 'looked at' > visually by a human! > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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