2016-06-13 8:16 GMT+01:00 Dan S <[email protected]>: > Hi, > > I advocate British terminology, and it's very clear that British > English is the standard for OSM. However
...ahem, however, the wiki is perfectly clear about why we use "soccer": http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dsoccer (second para) and the reasoning is eminently sensible. Cheers Dan > 2016-06-13 7:06 GMT+01:00 Jez Nicholson <[email protected]>: >> Ah yes 'soccer' as a corruption of 'Association' to distinguish it from the >> other football, 'rugger'. Very timely. A good example of a tag that has >> gained common usage although being incorrect English. I play a lot of >> football and it burns to call it soccer, but needs must. >> >> What is the general consensus on fixing tags? >> >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 at 02:06, Warin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> This arises out of my edits targeting sport=football and trying to >>> resolve these into a 'good' value. 'SomeoneElse' suggest this should be >>> discussed here. Well ok. >>> The discussion may disintegrate into 2 things - 'soccer is an >>> Americanism' and 'football is common usage'. >>> >>> ---------------------------- Americanism? >>> >>> Apparently 'soccer' comes from Oxford, England ... >>> >>> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/ >>> >>> So not an Americanism. >>> >>> ---------------------- Common Usage. My view. >>> I will support and defend the use of British English. >>> I will support precision in tagging terminology. >>> I do not support confusion. >>> >>> The term 'football' is confusing in world terms (ref >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)) and I cannot support it >>> use. >>> And the term 'soccer' is recognised in British English ... >>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/soccer "A form of >>> football..." >>> Thus a more precise word to use compared to 'football' >>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/football "Any of >>> various forms of team game involving kicking..." >>> Thus 'football' encompasses many games. >>> The term soccer is precise, well understood (in both British and world >>> terms) and should be used. Precision before what some claim is 'common >>> use' for me. >>> >>> (If you question my support of British English see >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:sport%3Dshot-put .. and >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop) >>> >>> ---------------------------- OSM Usage - to demonstrate British majority >>> agreement. >>> >>> Some samples using overpass turbo . >>> (Chose a small area so it does not time out - particularly for soccer, I >>> picked these at random to give a sample .. feel free to do your own) >>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/ >>> Use the wizard enter 'sport=football' and then run, repeat with wizard >>> 'sport=soccer' - numerical results at bottom right of the screen. >>> Results: >>> London area ~200 football ~10,000 soccer >>> Birmingham area ~16 football ~2,400 soccer >>> Liverpool-Manchester area ~130 football ~6,600 soccer >>> Glasgow- Edinburgh area ~80 football ~6,500 soccer >>> >>> The vast majority use soccer! Say ~98% soccer and ~2% football. >>> I would think there is a majority support for sport=soccer here too. >>> >>> ------------------------------------ What I think should be done. >>> There is a small improvement to OSM data consistency and understanding >>> to be had by looking at all the features using the tag >>> sport=football >>> and changing it to >>> sport=soccer >>> where it can be determined that the sport is actually soccer. >>> Where that cannot be determined a fixme tag could be placed to indicate >>> further work. >>> I am not proposing some automated edit ... each needs to be 'looked at' >>> visually by a human! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
