Hi, I advocate British terminology, and it's very clear that British English is the standard for OSM. However
Dan 2016-06-13 7:06 GMT+01:00 Jez Nicholson <[email protected]>: > Ah yes 'soccer' as a corruption of 'Association' to distinguish it from the > other football, 'rugger'. Very timely. A good example of a tag that has > gained common usage although being incorrect English. I play a lot of > football and it burns to call it soccer, but needs must. > > What is the general consensus on fixing tags? > > On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 at 02:06, Warin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This arises out of my edits targeting sport=football and trying to >> resolve these into a 'good' value. 'SomeoneElse' suggest this should be >> discussed here. Well ok. >> The discussion may disintegrate into 2 things - 'soccer is an >> Americanism' and 'football is common usage'. >> >> ---------------------------- Americanism? >> >> Apparently 'soccer' comes from Oxford, England ... >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/ >> >> So not an Americanism. >> >> ---------------------- Common Usage. My view. >> I will support and defend the use of British English. >> I will support precision in tagging terminology. >> I do not support confusion. >> >> The term 'football' is confusing in world terms (ref >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)) and I cannot support it >> use. >> And the term 'soccer' is recognised in British English ... >> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/soccer "A form of >> football..." >> Thus a more precise word to use compared to 'football' >> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/football "Any of >> various forms of team game involving kicking..." >> Thus 'football' encompasses many games. >> The term soccer is precise, well understood (in both British and world >> terms) and should be used. Precision before what some claim is 'common >> use' for me. >> >> (If you question my support of British English see >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:sport%3Dshot-put .. and >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop) >> >> ---------------------------- OSM Usage - to demonstrate British majority >> agreement. >> >> Some samples using overpass turbo . >> (Chose a small area so it does not time out - particularly for soccer, I >> picked these at random to give a sample .. feel free to do your own) >> http://overpass-turbo.eu/ >> Use the wizard enter 'sport=football' and then run, repeat with wizard >> 'sport=soccer' - numerical results at bottom right of the screen. >> Results: >> London area ~200 football ~10,000 soccer >> Birmingham area ~16 football ~2,400 soccer >> Liverpool-Manchester area ~130 football ~6,600 soccer >> Glasgow- Edinburgh area ~80 football ~6,500 soccer >> >> The vast majority use soccer! Say ~98% soccer and ~2% football. >> I would think there is a majority support for sport=soccer here too. >> >> ------------------------------------ What I think should be done. >> There is a small improvement to OSM data consistency and understanding >> to be had by looking at all the features using the tag >> sport=football >> and changing it to >> sport=soccer >> where it can be determined that the sport is actually soccer. >> Where that cannot be determined a fixme tag could be placed to indicate >> further work. >> I am not proposing some automated edit ... each needs to be 'looked at' >> visually by a human! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
