ad b) yes, but we had edit wars about all
kinds of ridiculousness, and this is possible
already and happened in some places
12 paź 2020, 15:21 od jez.nichol...@gmail.com:
> Just being Devil's Advocate....a) how do you decide on-the-ground what the
> name by which the place is widely known in Wales is? i.e. is it on signage,
> etc.? b) could it start an edit war if someone with strong views decided to
> use one particular language for every 'name' attribute? c) are there
> precedents for other countries in OSM?
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:06 PM Ben Proctor <> b...@benproctor.co.uk> > wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I'd like to open up the currently unresolved question of multilingual
>> tagging in Wales.
>>
>> In the Mapio Cymru project we've been exploring Welsh language mapping >>
>> https://openstreetmap.cymru/>> and we've done some thinking about how Welsh
>> and English naming works in parts of Wales. We plan to organise some
>> (online) workshops in November to encourage people to add Welsh language
>> tags to the map. Those workshops will initially be delivered through the
>> medium of Welsh but we hope also to run some in English at a later date.
>>
>> The wiki entry for Wales in Multilingual Names highlights that this has been
>> an area of discussion. >>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names#Wales
>>
>> The current entry is short and so I'll reproduce it here in full.
>>
>> [starts/---]
>> In Wales, the name tag should be used for whatever the local population uses.
>>
>> name:en and name:cy can be used to give English and Welsh names where such
>> names exist but are not the name used by the local population. (cy is the
>> two letter ISO639-1 language code for the Welsh language.)
>>
>> The percentage of Welsh speakers varies very significantly across the
>> country and visiting mappers should be aware of local usage.>> [---/ends]
>>
>> From a Mapio Cymru perspective we'd like to propose, for discussion,
>> replacing this text with the following (reasoning follows):
>>
>> [starts/---]
>> In Wales the name tag should be used for the name by which the place is
>> widely known in Wales. This could be English or Welsh but not both. So name:
>> Wales or name: Cymru would be acceptable but not name: Wales/Cymru.
>>
>> name:en should be used to give the name by which the place or feature is
>> known in English.
>> name:cy should be used to give the name by which the place or feature is
>> known in Welsh
>>
>> Even though this will lead to apparent duplication. For example:
>>
>> name: Swansea
>> name:en Swansea
>> name:cy Abertawe
>>
>> This allows places and features to be named unambiguously and so rather than
>> duplication is conveying useful new information.>> [---/ends]
>>
>> Our Reasoning
>> Wales is a bilingual country and many places have different names in Welsh
>> and English. Many other places have the same name in Welsh and English. It
>> is not possible to infer from the Name tag whether the contents are in Welsh
>> or English.
>>
>> We believe that the only unambiguous way to name places and features in
>> Wales is to use the name:en and name:cy tags.
>>
>> The "name" tag does not fit the Wales context well but we recognise its
>> importance within the wider OSM community. Though in some bilingual
>> countries the name tag contains both versions of a name and notably in the
>> Basque country this seemingly reflects the official state policy of
>> designating the official name of a town as its two names delimited by a
>> hyphen. We believe in the Wales context this would be better achieved by
>> processing name:en and name:cy tags.
>>
>> We're really happy to get some feedback, questions or comments on this
>> proposal. Especially highlighting things we might have missed or
>> misconstrued.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ben
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