I wasn't expecting to but I got time for a *quick* walk through Hall Ings.
It's still a bit of a building site and my phone died after a few photos so
it's going to need a proper survey but I should get a chance to tidy things
up a bit by lunchtime.

I'm not sure what to do about the classification of Leeds Road at the east
end of Hall Ings so plan to leave it primary for now, but that doesn't seem
right when it leads to a junction of some minor roads.

I'm planning to mark roads signed for bus, taxi, motorcycle and bicycle,
and authorised vehicles only as
motor_vehicle=private
psv=yes
motorcycle=yes

I plan to change Vicar Lane and Well Street from service to unclassified
even though most cars can't drive down them, using above access tags for
that.

I'm going to leave the bus routes alone even though they are definitely
wrong as I don't know what's right. I'm going to leave the pedestrian way
alongside Hall Ings labelled as Leeds Road even though that's clearly wrong
as a reminder to check if it should be a footway or cycleway.

Let me know if I should do anything different for now. As I say, a fuller
mapping will be needed.

While we're here, what are opinions on use of highway=busway for things
like bus gates. My reading of the wiki is they are something quite specific
and different but I'm not sure how they're being used elsewhere.

Cheers,

Tom Crocker

On Fri, 7 Feb 2025, 11:09 Andy Townsend, <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was there 6 months ago and what was there then (before the two most
> recent sets of changes) wasn't perfect, but as the whole area was a
> building site I made relatively few changes - clearly the situation when I
> was there was only temporary.
>
> The local who tried to fix things did so as part of their 2nd changeset,
> and they deserved a better response than the comment "reverted" (from a
> USA-based mapper with a history of that sort of thing).
>
> As already noted, it needs a proper on-the-ground survey of the _current_
> situation.  Handily, due to the unique way the railways in the north of
> England are run, Bradford Forster Square (just around the corner) seems to
> be on a surprising number of east-west routes.  I can also recommend the
> Jacob's Well pub https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/962761380 .  As the
> wifi password suggests "try the pie" :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 2/7/25 10:26, Paul Berry wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I'm not that far away from Bradford but neither do I have the time to
> resurvey Hall Ings, which, as you rightly point out, has been remodelled
> recently and now looks a complete mess on the map. Checking the history of
> some stretches of road that have disappeared from the Standard Layer shows
> this has been the case for a good few months now. Might be worth reaching
> out to the mappers who have recently touched those segments (I won't name
> names but you can find out from the histories). I don't know what the
> tag "mkgmap:dead-end-check" is but that's clouding (or perhaps causing) the
> issue too.
>
> On one hand, you could revert the problematic changes to make things look
> normal again, even if that's old data. On the other hand, we don't know for
> certain what the actual situation is without a ground survey and, while
> that leaves the map looking wrong, that itself is an indicator that this
> needs a survey.
>
> Regards,
> *Paul*
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 at 15:46, Timothy Noname <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bradford has undergone road changes for pedestrianisation recently but
>> there is one road " Hall Ings" that looks very messed up. Is it undergoing
>> construction or has someone messed it up? Is there a local mapper?
>>
>> Tim
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