Thanks for having a look and tidying things up so far!
Apparently a "phased reopening" of the bus station is underway (see
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5w2qqk526o - started early Jan, to
complete in April), so I'm sure that there will be further changes just
for that.
Best Regards,
Andy
On 2/8/25 12:14, Tom Crocker wrote:
I've made some changes https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/162276574
I've left a lot of loose ends. I'm not sure of the situation on Bridge
Street, Bank Street should probably be pedestrian, and there's
probably a lot of changes to footways and cycleways needed in the area
as well as the bus stops and routes as I mentioned. A flare could be
added at the junction with Princes Way/Manchester Road.
Feel free to make any changes.
P.S. Thanks Tim for pointing out the mess 👍
Tom
On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, 10:10 Tom Crocker, <[email protected]> wrote:
I wasn't expecting to but I got time for a *quick* walk through
Hall Ings. It's still a bit of a building site and my phone died
after a few photos so it's going to need a proper survey but I
should get a chance to tidy things up a bit by lunchtime.
I'm not sure what to do about the classification of Leeds Road at
the east end of Hall Ings so plan to leave it primary for now, but
that doesn't seem right when it leads to a junction of some minor
roads.
I'm planning to mark roads signed for bus, taxi, motorcycle and
bicycle, and authorised vehicles only as
motor_vehicle=private
psv=yes
motorcycle=yes
I plan to change Vicar Lane and Well Street from service to
unclassified even though most cars can't drive down them, using
above access tags for that.
I'm going to leave the bus routes alone even though they are
definitely wrong as I don't know what's right. I'm going to leave
the pedestrian way alongside Hall Ings labelled as Leeds Road even
though that's clearly wrong as a reminder to check if it should be
a footway or cycleway.
Let me know if I should do anything different for now. As I say, a
fuller mapping will be needed.
While we're here, what are opinions on use of highway=busway for
things like bus gates. My reading of the wiki is they are
something quite specific and different but I'm not sure how
they're being used elsewhere.
Cheers,
Tom Crocker
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025, 11:09 Andy Townsend, <[email protected]> wrote:
I was there 6 months ago and what was there then (before the
two most recent sets of changes) wasn't perfect, but as the
whole area was a building site I made relatively few changes -
clearly the situation when I was there was only temporary.
The local who tried to fix things did so as part of their 2nd
changeset, and they deserved a better response than the
comment "reverted" (from a USA-based mapper with a history of
that sort of thing).
As already noted, it needs a proper on-the-ground survey of
the _current_ situation. Handily, due to the unique way the
railways in the north of England are run, Bradford Forster
Square (just around the corner) seems to be on a surprising
number of east-west routes. I can also recommend the Jacob's
Well pub https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/962761380 . As the
wifi password suggests "try the pie" :)
Best Regards,
Andy
On 2/7/25 10:26, Paul Berry wrote:
Hi Tim,
I'm not that far away from Bradford but neither do I have the
time to resurvey Hall Ings, which, as you rightly point out,
has been remodelled recently and now looks a complete mess on
the map. Checking the history of some stretches of road that
have disappeared from the Standard Layer shows this has been
the case for a good few months now. Might be worth reaching
out to the mappers who have recently touched those segments
(I won't name names but you can find out from the histories).
I don't know what the tag "mkgmap:dead-end-check" is but
that's clouding (or perhaps causing) the issue too.
On one hand, you could revert the problematic changes to make
things look normal again, even if that's old data. On
the other hand, we don't know for certain what the actual
situation is without a ground survey and, while that leaves
the map looking wrong, that itself is an indicator that this
needs a survey.
Regards,
/Paul/
On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 at 15:46, Timothy Noname
<[email protected]> wrote:
Bradford has undergone road changes for pedestrianisation
recently but there is one road " Hall Ings" that looks
very messed up. Is it undergoing construction or has
someone messed it up? Is there a local mapper?
Tim
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