I would be interesting in attending as well (From Waterford). If I can at all. It would be good to put faces to the names.
Regards John On 11/09/17 21:57, Donal Hunt wrote: > I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need some > leadtime and ability to travel up for it. Either Saturday seems good right > now. > Thanks! > > Donal > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Much appreciated folks. >> >> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket >> booth to track numbers then. >> >> Thanks again, >> Dave >> >> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my >>> name down to host the event. >>> Tad >>> >>> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jeffrey, >>>> >>>> A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. >>> Would >>>> it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that >>> there >>>> will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time >> for >>>> discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or >>>> other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you >>>>> would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. >>>>> An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to >> host >>>>> you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to >>>>> host if you wanted the 14th. >>>>> Jeffrey Roe, >>>>> www.tog.ie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail >> list, >>>>>> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead >>>> with >>>>>> this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay >>>> quiet >>>>>> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible >>> to >>>> do >>>>>> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an >>>>> informal >>>>>> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and >>> organisational >>>>>> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think >>> its >>>>>> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment >>>> about >>>>>> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right >> now I >>>>> feel >>>>>> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in >>> place >>>> ( >>>>> we >>>>>> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). >>>>>> >>>>>> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, >> the >>>> mail >>>>>> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as >>>> usual, >>>>>> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I >> think >>>> its >>>>>> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a >> single >>>> one, >>>>>> where several of us come together and blitz the main items: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Constitution >>>>>> - Memorandum of association >>>>>> - Articles of association >>>>>> - Interim board >>>>>> - etc etc >>>>>> >>>>>> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of >>> the >>>>> way >>>>>> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for >>>>> feedback, >>>>>> comment and to close out any remaining items. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for >>>> this, >>>>>> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to >> a >>>>> single >>>>>> day, to get a much larger group to participate. >>>>>> >>>>>> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try >>>> organise >>>>>> some sponsorship of refreshments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a >>> Saturday >>>>> in >>>>>> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just >> to >>> be >>>>>> able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for >>>>>> refreshments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set >> up. >>>>>>> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, >>> but >>>>>>> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it >>> would >>>>>>> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're >> from >>> an >>>>>>> official body. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of >>> us! >>>>>>> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 >> But >>>> I'll >>>>>>> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was >>>>>>> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is >>> now a >>>>>>> DAC (designed activity company(?)) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are >> at >>>> all >>>>>>>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please >> read >>> on >>>>> and >>>>>>>> give your feedback when you're done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and >>>>>>>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of >>> the >>>>>>>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally >> long, >>>>> boring >>>>>>>> process to get it all done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two >>> ago, >>>> I >>>>>>>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions >> to >>>>> allow >>>>>>>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few >>>>> questions >>>>>>>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. >> If >>> I >>>>>>>> recall >>>>>>>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM >>>>> Ireland, >>>>>>>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But >> that >>>>> ratio >>>>>>>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I >>>> originally >>>>>>>> expected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, >>> at >>>> an >>>>>>>> absolute minimum, could do the following >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some >>>> organisation >>>>>>>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives >>>> etc. >>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, >> just >>>>> even >>>>>>>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great >>>>> achievement >>>>>>>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some >>> simple >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to >>>> ensure >>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism >>> etc. >>>>>>>> Basically, >>>>>>>> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage >>> with >>>>> new >>>>>>>> folks >>>>>>>> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no >>>> reason >>>>>>>> why a >>>>>>>> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month >>>>> period >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> this is done right. >>>>>>>> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing >> pool >>>> of >>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>> data being released. To make full use of it is going to >>> require a >>>>>>>> signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, >>>>>>>> prioritising, >>>>>>>> tools and import process). >>>>>>>> - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example >>> doing >>>> a >>>>> 1 >>>>>>>> month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors >>>> using >>>>>>>> Osmi or >>>>>>>> keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland >>>>> mapping >>>>>>>> project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could >>> have a >>>>>>>> real, >>>>>>>> lasting impact on the map >>>>>>>> - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This >>> doesn't >>>>> need >>>>>>>> to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would >>> likely >>>>> be >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference >> going >>>>> within >>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>> years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference >> etc). >>>>>>>> There's >>>>>>>> enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and >>>> academic >>>>>>>> folks >>>>>>>> that is easily within reach. >>>>>>>> - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the >> biggest >>>>>>>> population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a >>>>> location >>>>>>>> outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a >> night >>>> away >>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>> we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit >> the >>>>> ground >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>> town and get every street name, address, business and >>> attraction >>>>> all >>>>>>>> in one >>>>>>>> day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few >>>> drinks. >>>>>>>> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to >>>> work >>>>> on >>>>>>>> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the >>> bag >>>>> and >>>>>>>> to avoid burnout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think >> OSM >>>>>>>> Ireland >>>>>>>> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally >>>> fine. >>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>> kind of the point of this email :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am >>>>> proposing >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> the following >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will >> come >>>>>>>> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM >>> Ireland. >>>>>>>> Note, >>>>>>>> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the >> structure >>>>> and, >>>>>>>> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. >>>> research >>>>>>>> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal >>>>>>>> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the >>> structure >>>> is >>>>>>>> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if >>> required >>>>> at >>>>>>>> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on >> some >>>>> tasks >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> keep the process moving. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any >>> last >>>>>>>> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional >> board >>>>>>>> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. >>>> Note, >>>>>>>> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM >>>> Ireland >>>>> and >>>>>>>> elections would be held at that first meeting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for >>>> first >>>>>>>> general meeting to be determined and election process to begin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green >>>>>>>> milkshakes >>>>>>>> hits McDonalds, we would be a formal entity and we could start >>>> talking >>>>>>>> about moving to the next stage, which would be completing the >> OSMF >>>>> chapter >>>>>>>> application, not to mention any other objectives we might have. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, who's in? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Talk-ie mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Talk-ie mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-ie mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-ie mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ie mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ie mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
