Hi Stuart, my old grandfather has always told me both stories but I like to told the second :-).
Please let me know the contact with this association. Thanks a lot Ale > On 22 Jan 2020, at 07:32, European Water Project > <europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Ale, > > I have been thinking a lot about Milanese fountains.... Vedovelle apparently > means widows because the fountains are crying continuously. But I like your > explanation more ! > > I found what seems to be an amazing Milanese association called > fontallelle.org <http://fontallelle.org/> which has been working for years on > a fountain mapping project in Milan and other cities. > > I am going to contact them to see if they are willing to collaborate with OSM > and contribute their work to the open data space and benefit from shared > resources. > > Warm regards, > > Stuart > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 11:10, Alessandro Oggioni <oggioni...@gmail.com > <mailto:oggioni...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Stuart, > this is a very exiting and amazing initiative. > Do you have intention to organise the same event in Rome in other Italian > cities? Could be possible to open a call in the project in other to create > similar initiative, like drinking fountain hut, in other cities? > I’m living in Milan and the drinking fountain is an institution in my city > (usually named vedovelle, mean little widows because they are alone and > abandoned in the city). > > Regards > > Ale > > >> On 20 Jan 2020, at 08:11, European Water Project >> <europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com <mailto:europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Giovanni, >> >> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email >> rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM. >> >> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had a >> project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles of >> water in PET for export to Asia. About 1-year ago, I got very involved and >> with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called >> StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone >> from the municipal council supported the project. >> >> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than 7000 >> flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just across the >> border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we were >> successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no choice but >> to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and council >> members. >> >> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned >> how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on >> too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of >> plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in the >> Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to recent >> studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of plastic per >> week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try to help make >> a difference with this project ... even in a small symbolic way. >> >> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of >> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill >> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided >> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data >> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an open >> data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and >> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations. >> >> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project >> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32 >> countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant Secretary-General >> of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen Bogdan-Martin, >> Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the ITU. >> >> Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one. >> >> The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement >> and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of >> standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the >> border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with enormous >> character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I am >> looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza, Spain >> later this year. Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very active as >> well. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni <cascaf...@gmail.com >> <mailto:cascaf...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for refill >> as a cyclist and RV user. But still, since project aims to have a >> comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo >> approach has been chosen. >> Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or >> prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or >> both? >> >> Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not an >> issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes with >> approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project >> <europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com <mailto:europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>> ha >> scritto: >> Hi Giovanni, >> >> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as possible >> on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars. >> >> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic. >> >> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which >> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue. >> >> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the >> wikidata item number added to the OSM node? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Stuart >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni <cascaf...@gmail.com >> <mailto:cascaf...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hello Stuart, >> >> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what the >> project aims to. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-it@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-it@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-it@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-it@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-it@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
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