Dear Andrea and Francesco, I have taken on board your suggestions to streamline the photo image capture process and to consider Mapillary as an alternative to Wikimedia Commons.
We have added the ability to capture images directly within the European Water Project Web App by clicking on "Aggiungi/aggiorna questa immagine <https://europeanwaterproject.org/imageCapture/camera.htm?osmNumber=7177634286&osmLongitude=46.31209346565174&osmLatitude=6.047158241271973>" link in the popup for a fountain. The photo initially gets stored on our server and shows up immediately in the application. https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT After manual curation, we load the images to Mapillary and link them to OpenStreetMap objects. Wikimedia Switzerland has asked us if we would consider storing the images on Commons which of course we would be happy to do if we can find a solution for bulk uploading the images via an API. I would appreciate if you and others can take a couple of pictures of fountains in Italy for us with the app ! and help test this new feature (which seems to work so far on most modern smart phones). We had to postpone our Rome and Milan fountain hunts due to Covid, but I hope they can be rescheduled soon. best regards, Stuart On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 11:40, Andrea Musuruane <musur...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stuart, > I think that the proposed workflow to add drinking water POIs is not > easy for the casual user who is not already an OpenStreetMap contributor > (and OSM contributors already add these POIs :-)). You require a casual > user to register on both OSM and Wikimedia Commons. You require to upload a > photo of the POI which gives very little added value per se. > > A simplified workflow with a specialized focus on drinking water POIs > would be better. For example, let the user take a photo using the smart > phone. The photo will already have EXIF data. Among the EXIF data there are > the coordinates where the photo has been taken (latitude/longitude). Check > if a POI is already present nearby. If not, position a marker on these > coordinate with a satellite map as background. Let the user move it to > better place the POI. When the user is happy, he can submit the info and > automatically the POI should be imported in OSM and the photo in Wikimedia > Commons. > > Best Regards, > > Andrea > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:13 AM European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Giovanni, >> >> A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this >> email rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is >> for OSM. >> >> In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan >> had a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million >> bottles of water in PET for export to Asia. About 1-year ago, I got very >> involved and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association >> called StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and >> everyone from the municipal council supported the project. >> >> After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than >> 7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just >> across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we >> were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no >> choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and >> council members. >> >> Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I >> learned how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't >> go on too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents >> of plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in >> the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to >> recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of >> plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try >> to help make a difference with this project ... even in a small symbolic >> way. >> >> In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of >> Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill >> label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided >> not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data >> proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an >> open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and >> maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations. >> >> On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project >> and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32 >> countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant >> Secretary-General of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen >> Bogdan-Martin, Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the >> ITU. >> >> Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one. >> >> The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement >> and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of >> standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the >> border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with >> enormous character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I >> am looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza, >> Spain later this year. Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very >> active as well. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni <cascaf...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for >>> refill as a cyclist and RV user. But still, since project aims to have a >>> comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo >>> approach has been chosen. >>> Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or >>> prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or >>> both? >>> >>> Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not >>> an issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes >>> with approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project < >>> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto: >>> >>>> Hi Giovanni, >>>> >>>> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as >>>> possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars. >>>> >>>> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic. >>>> >>>> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which >>>> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue. >>>> >>>> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have >>>> the wikidata item number added to the OSM node? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Stuart >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni <cascaf...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Stuart, >>>>> >>>>> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what >>>>> the project aims to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-it mailing list >>>>> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-it mailing list >>>> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-it mailing list >>> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >
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