Don't knock the unicorn viewing sites. They are everywhere.  

On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Darrell Fuhriman <darr...@garnix.org> wrote:

> Please for the love of god, I see no one here in favor of it but you. They 
> are imaginary, let's delete them and move on. 
> 
> They have no more place in OSM than unicorn viewing locations and alien 
> landing sites. 
> 
> d. 
> 
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 14:43, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:
> 
>> Again, I'm still not hearing a suggestion that would keep this valuable 
>> information in OSM, or a compelling reason not to keep it.  We do map 
>> proposed routes, we don't map for the renderer.  It still sounds like the  
>> core issue is some proposals are mapped more specifically than they are on 
>> paper.  I don't think this is an insurmountable problem to fix within the 
>> boundaries of not tagging for the renderer.  With that in mind, I would love 
>> to hear ideas how to tackle the proposed corridor issue so that they may be 
>> more properly mapped, not outright excluded over cyclemap rendering issues.
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2013 7:25 AM, "KerryIrons" <irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Paul,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> You explicitly said that putting 50 mile wide corridors on OSM “would be an 
>>> important advocacy tool.”
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> That does not sound at all like “mapping reality.”
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I spend hundreds of hours a year on the phone, corresponding, and attending 
>>> meetings to make the USBR a reality.  I’ve personally been involved in 
>>> getting over 2,000 miles of USBRs approved.  Don’t give me stuff about 
>>> being obtuse and saying the USBRS is a pipe dream.  Personal insults are 
>>> not the path forward.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Kerry Irons
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:24 PM
>>> To: OpenStreetMap talk-us list
>>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 3:18 PM, KerryIrons <irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So Paul, what you really want is advocacy mapping.  Not mapping reality but 
>>> mapping what you want to have.  It comes as a great surprise to me that 
>>> this is what OSM is all about.  Do you think this is the consensus of the 
>>> OSM community?  I thought OSM’s goal was to “accurately describe the world” 
>>> but you are saying it is also advocacy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> No, that's not what I'm advocating, and honestly, the way you're 
>>> approaching this now, I really have to be wondering if you're being 
>>> deliberately obtuse.  Because if that's actually where you're coming from, 
>>> you're essentially saying that the USBR system is a pipe dream.  I'm not 
>>> ready to buy that argument because the premise is fundamentally flawed on a 
>>> level amounting to argumentum ad absurdum.
>>> 
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