Folks, talk-us@ is a place for discussion, not personal attacks.If you have a problem with a particular user, contact the user and if they don't respond e-mail <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected].
Apologies to all. I did/do not wish to attack anybody, just note what seemed ironic or even humorous. I hereby promise to be more careful with my tone here.
While NE2 is no longer contributing, and many of his contributions, to put it mildly, were "controversial," I do believe he made many important contributions. For example, his assertions about national bike routes, while quite premature compared to which routes AASHTO has vs. hasn't approved, DID spark important discussion between American Cycling Association and one OSM contributor (me), and I have gone to great lengths in the last few weeks to improve the situation.
In some cases this includes deleting a "state=proposed" or "ncn=proposed" tag from a route relation (which is correct, as AASHTO hasn't approved it -- a state has not made such an application and it was quite premature of NE2 to have "jumped the gun" here), I am regularly leaving NE2's relations in the OSM database as "dummy placeholders" so that when/as Kerry and I better coordinate state teams who are doing this work in the present and future, much of the work of adding highway segments will have already been completed (by NE2). True, they'll have to correct 2% to 10% of what NE2 did (it varies on each ncn route he asserted), and they'll have to add back the tags so that OpenCycleMap and waymarkedtrails.org renderers pick up and render those routes, but that is much better than starting from scratch. In that sense, I'd like to thank NE2 for that work, even if what he did was foment a national bicycle route conversation and how it is mapped in OSM in a "jump the gun" kind of way.
This message really is meant to convey that there is an important (off-line now, but started here on talk-us) discussion going on about national bicycle route mapping, and even thanks a person whom I was described as attacking. Again, I do not wish to attack, I wish to discuss. Thank you also to this talk-us forum for the opportunity to do so.
Renderings at http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=5&lat=39.3&lon=-92&hill=0&route=1# of national bike routes are quite accurate (I'd say 98%) as of right about now. That's a result of literally dozens of tedious emails back and forth between me and Kerry, and me JOSM-ing my stubby thick fingers off, almost exclusively what I've been doing the last couple of weeks. OSM, I don't seek accolades, although you are welcome (we are welcome?). And yet, there is still so very much more to do!
SteveA California
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