No more of this please. I'd place this thread under moderation if I could, but since Ian is on vacation, I will have to rely on you all to do the right thing and take this wholly inappropriate mode of discussion offline.
Martijn On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Russ Nelson <[email protected]> wrote: > Serge Wroclawski writes: > > My opinion is that this is a single data source issue. Unlike other > > data that we collect, there is nothing in the ground indicating the > > existence of this as a route. There's no sign indicating where the > > route is, so there's be no way to collect this data other than by > > looking at an external dataset and either importing or tracing. > > You're just a little bit insane, Serge. Let's say that I follow this > route on my bicycle using a cue sheet and keep a GPS track. Then I load > my GPS track into JOSM and create a relation and call it USBRS #47 (or > whatever). How is this an import?? > > > I think that's an import, because it's taking external data and > > applying it to OSM without even the potential for ground validation. > > You're twigging this as an import because there aren't any signs on > the ground. What if I post my cue sheet on a sign? Again, how does > this become an import? > > It bears none of the problems of imports: > o imports create a whole new set of nodes. > o imports can have copyright issues. > o imports can be non-human-scale. > o imports can be data dumps that don't get maintained. > o imports make bulk changes to the database. > > This is nothing like that. Your *only* reason for calling this an > import is because there aren't any signs. Yet. That reason isn't good > enough to call it an "import". > > > We have a lot of data that we could include in OSM that would be > > useful. > > Everything that people care about having in a map is useful. You don't > care about this. Fine. Somebody else doesn't care about something you > want in OSM. Imagine *cooperating* with other people. > > > I think that this kind of data doesn't belong in OSM. > > And when you see it on OpenCycleMap? Does it belong there? Should we > fork the database now, so that we have a Serge OSM and a Nelson OSM > and a USBRS OSM? Remember what I said earlier: a little bit insane. > > -- > --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com > Crynwr supports open source software > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel President, US Chapter OpenStreetMap http://openstreetmap.us/ http://osm.org/ _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
