On 6/3/2014 5:34 AM, Simon Poole wrote:
Route USBR 10 nicely illustrates my point about GIGO. It starts of in
untouched TIGER country and continues. Implying that nothing has been
surveyed along the route, clearly requiring large amounts of clean up
before even thinking about adding the roads to a route relation (well at
least if you don't want the relation to break n-times when somebody
actually does the clean up).


As a counterpoint to GIGO: the only clean road at the start point is part of the preliminary bike route. Cleanup is a known science - many US and state route relations were added before a geometry review. Bike routes would break no more than existing routes that are being cleaned up by MapRoulette.

> Further the area not being surveyed implies that all the value add that
> we can offer a cyclist is not there (surface, lanes, shoulders etc).

Blocking bike routes until "everything is surveyed" is not realistic - we'd need to map every parking spot with a potential car door zone, every storm drain that may cause a road hazard, as well as every road width in addition to the surface, lanes and shoulders. Blocking bike routes only ensures that TIGER deserts remain as deserts for any number of years until someone randomly happens to take interest, if ever. Having a bike route will motivate people to start with armchair improvements and follow with incremental improvements to the roads that the bike route cover.



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