On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:31:14AM -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > There was a (poorly) done import of house numbers done in San Diego county a > long while back. Data from that import usually has a source tag of "SanGIS > Addresses Public Domain (http://www.sangis.org/)???. I think a reasonable > check for some of the questionable street names in that area could be done by > verifying that at least some of the addr:steet tags along the way match with > the name tag. > > Unfortunately, I attempted a clean up of that import[1] a while ago so my > edits may have muddied the water. On the other hand, in areas where there > were objects with address information I did review the street name and > addr:street against the most recent TIGER imagery available in JOSM at the > time. So there is a good chance that I reviewed many of the street names > against TIGER data. > > When you reviewed Orange County, how did you do it so quickly? The only way I > know to go through this is looking at each one, one at a time.
One. At. A. Time. Using JOSM, I downloaded each object ID and inspected it, comparing with the OC Landbase, the open parcel data hosted in GIS cloud. Virtually all were correct in OSM. Curiously, the "official" OC Landbase had some mistakes, which I confirmed with (non-open) OC Assessor data and sent off corrections to OC Public Works, with whom I have a great relationship. Steve > > [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/n76/diary/38088 > > > On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Steve Friedl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What a bummer. > > > > I went through all the ways in California, and half of them were in Orange > > County where I live, so I was able to confirm / fix them via public sources > > - two changelists reflect the confirmation and various fixes I made while I > > was in the area. > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/51485799 > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/51486963 > > > > The rest are all but one in San Diego (one is in Los Angeles); those marked > > OK in the first column can be removed from the revert list; if anybody else > > has good data for San Diego, then perhaps we can deal with the rest of > > California, which is (sadly) only a small part of the area of concern. > > > > 5949993,"California","United States of America" Tulagi Road, > > San Diego > > 5957171,"California","United States of America" South M > > Avenue, San Diego > > 5959592,"California","United States of America" East B Road, > > San Diego > > 5959593,"California","United States of America" East B Road, > > San Diego > > 5960070,"California","United States of America" East F Road, > > San Diego > > 5963118,"California","United States of America" Kingston > > Court East, San Diego > > 5963190,"California","United States of America" Kingston > > Court South, San Diego > > 5963214,"California","United States of America" Kingston > > Court West, San Diego > > 5963786,"California","United States of America" East I Road, > > San Diego > > 5964547,"California","United States of America" South R > > Avenue, San Diego > > 5965288,"California","United States of America" McCain > > Boulevard, San Diego > > 5965292,"California","United States of America" McCain > > Boulevard, San Diego > > xx 5969001,"California","United States of America" 4th Sttreet > > -- fixed to "4th Street but" not confirmed > > 5969167,"California","United States of America" North 4th > > Street, San Diego > > 5970892,"California","United States of America" McCain West > > Boulevard, San Diego > > 5994791,"California","United States of America" East G Road, > > San Diego > > 5999933,"California","United States of America" East H Road, > > San Diego > > 6006131,"California","United States of America" East J Road, > > North Island Coronado > > 6012862,"California","United States of America" Hangar Road, > > North Island Coronado > > 6014150,"California","United States of America" South O > > Street, North Island Coronado > > 6017745,"California","United States of America" Avenida de > > las Arenas, San Diego > > 6020277,"California","United States of America" South Cays > > Court San Diego > > 6020279,"California","United States of America" South Cays > > Court San Diego > > 6026197,"California","United States of America" North Caribe > > Cay Boulevard San Diego > > 6049589,"California","United States of America" O'Keefe > > Street San Diego > > > > 13337365,"California","United States of America" 55th Place > > / Los Angeles > > > > #---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > # all these in Coto de Caza, Orange County California and > > confirmed/fixed > > OK 13340935,"California","United States of America" Kingfisher > > Court > > OK 13345902,"California","United States of America" Bentley Road > > OK 31793666,"California","United States of America" Bordeaux / > > Coto > > OK 31793683,"California","United States of America" Endicott / > > Coto > > OK 31793688,"California","United States of America" Taiga / Coto > > OK 31793691,"California","United States of America" Weather > > Ledge (was Weatherledge) fixed > > OK 31793693,"California","United States of America" Tucson / > > Coto > > OK 31793694,"California","United States of America" Lone Wolf > > OK 31793706,"California","United States of America" Loam > > OK 31793713,"California","United States of America" Shale > > OK 31793722,"California","United States of America" Vela Court > > OK 31793742,"California","United States of America" Wandering > > River > > OK 31793744,"California","United States of America" Hickory Fork > > OK 31793748,"California","United States of America" Sky Meadow > > (was plural) fixed > > OK 31793754,"California","United States of America" Fair Valley > > (location was wrong) fixed > > OK 31793759,"California","United States of America" Bent Oak > > OK 31793760,"California","United States of America" Slate > > Springs > > OK 31793763,"California","United States of America" Black Walnut > > OK 31793765,"California","United States of America" Knotty Oak > > Circle > > OK 31793766,"California","United States of America" Tortoise > > Shell > > OK 31793777,"California","United States of America" Weber Lane > > OK 31793778,"California","United States of America" Marchin > > Drive ( was Marchin Lane) fixed > > OK 31793780,"California","United States of America" Long View > > Drive > > OK 31793782,"California","United States of America" Roberts > > Drive > > OK 31793783,"California","United States of America" Taylynn > > Court > > OK 31793788,"California","United States of America" Running > > Brook Drive > > OK 31793790,"California","United States of America" Leatherwood > > Court > > OK 31793793,"California","United States of America" Rand Court > > OK 31793794,"California","United States of America" Hawthorne > > Lane > > OK 31793795,"California","United States of America" Salinger > > Court > > OK 31793801,"California","United States of America" Sharon Lane > > OK 31793808,"California","United States of America" Victoria > > Lane > > OK 31793829,"California","United States of America" Madeline > > Court > > OK 31793842,"California","United States of America" Stevenson > > Lane > > OK 31793847,"California","United States of America" Keats Court > > OK 31793878,"California","United States of America" Elliot Lane > > OK 31793883,"California","United States of America" Raeburn Lane > > OK 31793892,"California","United States of America" Thurston > > Drive > > OK 31793893,"California","United States of America" Addington > > Place > > OK 31793896,"California","United States of America" Raeburn Lane > > OK 31793908,"California","United States of America" Rosana Way > > > > > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > 33407712,"California","United States of America" Via Azul, > > San Diego > > OK 35343440,"California","United States of America" Bentley > > Road, Coto de Caza > > OK 35343441,"California","United States of America" Hawthorne > > Lane, Coto de Caza > > > > 100741105,"California","United States of America" Via Azul, > > San Diego > > 108246340,"California","United States of America" Via Inez, > > San Diego > > 122741458,"California","United States of America" Via Arezzo, > > San Diego > > 122741459,"California","United States of America" Via Arezzo, > > San Diego > > 122741464,"California","United States of America" Camino de la > > Rosa, San Diego > > 122741465,"California","United States of America" Via Fiesta, > > San Diego > > 122741466,"California","United States of America" Via Vivaldi, > > San Diego > > 122741467,"California","United States of America" Via Landini, > > San Diego > > 122741468,"California","United States of America" Via Bellini, > > San Diego > > 122741469,"California","United States of America" Via Bellini, > > San Diego > > 122741699,"California","United States of America" Camino de la > > Luna, San Diego > > 122741702,"California","United States of America" Delfina > > Drive, San Diego > > 122741703,"California","United States of America" Caminito > > Lazanja, San Diego > > 122741969,"California","United States of America" Lazanja > > Pass, San Diego > > 122741970,"California","United States of America" Caminito > > Santaluz Sur, San Diego > > 122741971,"California","United States of America" Caminito > > Santaluz Sur, San Diego > > 122741974,"California","United States of America" Caminito > > Santaluz Sur, San Diego > > 122741976,"California","United States of America" Entrada > > Lazanja, San Diego > > 122741978,"California","United States of America" Garden > > Trail, San Diego > > 122741990,"California","United States of America" Camino de la > > Rosa, San Diego > > 122742004,"California","United States of America" Garden > > Court, San Diego > > 122742005,"California","United States of America" Garden > > Terrace, San Diego > > > > 123698524,"California","United States of America" La Media > > Road, San Diego > > 123698533,"California","United States of America" Drucker > > Lane, San Diego > > > > OK 129282435,"California","United States of America" Falconridge > > Drive, Coto de Caza > > OK 129282441,"California","United States of America" River Rock > > Drive, Coto de Caza > > OK 129282443,"California","United States of America" Winston > > Drive, Coto de Caza > > OK 129282444,"California","United States of America" Flax Court, > > Coto de Caza > > OK 129282448,"California","United States of America" Devonwood > > Drive, Coto de Caza > > OK 129282450,"California","United States of America" Dark Horse, > > Coto de Caza > > OK 129282451,"California","United States of America" Marble > > Creek Lane, Coto de Caza > > OK 129282454,"California","United States of America" Sandy > > Knoll, Coto de Caza > > OK 129282456,"California","United States of America" Wellbrook > > Place, Coto de Caza > > > > 155532857,"California","United States of America" Via > > Verrazzano, San Diego > > 155532858,"California","United States of America" Via > > Verrazzano, San Diego > > 158079931,"California","United States of America" Firenze > > Lane, San Diego > > 158079932,"California","United States of America" Andante > > Lane, San Diego > > 158079934,"California","United States of America" Crescendo > > Lane, San Diego > > 158079935,"California","United States of America" Rancho > > Catalina Trail, San Diego > > 158079936,"California","United States of America" Rancho > > Ventana Trail, San Diego > > 158079937,"California","United States of America" Allegretto > > Lane, San Diego > > 158079938,"California","United States of America" Sondrio > > Lane, San Diego > > 158079939,"California","United States of America" Corelli > > Lane, San Diego > > 158079940,"California","United States of America" Soprano > > Lane, San Diego > > 158079941,"California","United States of America" Rancho > > Cabrillo Trail, San Diego > > > > > > Happy Mappy. > > > > Steve > > > > --- > > Stephen J Friedl | Security Consultant | UNIX Wizard | 714 345-4571 > > [email protected] | Southern California | Windows Guy | unixwiz.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 6:50 AM > > To: Talk Openstreetmap <[email protected]>; [email protected] > > Openstreetmap <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Talk-us] Redacting 75,000 street names contributed by user chdr > > > > Hi, > > > > in 2010 I was privately contacted by another OSM user with the suspicion > > that user "chdr" might be copying names from Google maps (there were few > > "easter eggs" in Oman that were only on Google and not in the real world, > > and they suddenly popped up on OSM). "chdr" was contacted at the time, but > > continued unfazed. In 2013 another mapper lodged a complaint with DWG about > > edits by chdr, and I emailed chdr asking him about his sources. At that > > point chdr stopped mapping. He never replied about his sources though, even > > when I set an ultimatum (of 31st August 2013) threatening to remove all > > names he contributed if he can't tell us his source. We do have to assume > > that all names contributed by chdr are copyright violations. > > > > (chdr has added names all around the world, making a harmless survey > > unlikely.) > > > > For various reasons I neglected to act on this, and was only reminded now, > > 5 years later, when DWG received a complaint from a user in Brazil where > > chdr has even used "source=google" occasionally. (But as I said, the > > suspicion is that Google was used throughout.) > > > > I have now compiled a list of all street names that were contributed by > > chdr and are still visible today; we're talking about almost 75,000 street > > names world wide. The most affected countries are: > > > > 18023 "United States of America" > > 16345 "Mexico" > > 15109 "Brazil" > > 6791 "RSA" > > 2802 "Spain" > > 2614 "Australia" > > 1923 "Argentina" > > 1673 "Nigeria" > > 1569 "India" > > 1441 "Canada" > > 954 "Malaysia" > > 744 "Botswana" > > 717 "Philippines" > > 619 "Indonesia" > > 553 "Italy" > > 414 "Turkey" > > 290 "Hungary" > > 284 "Chile" > > 250 "Kenya" > > 127 "Saudi Arabia" > > 107 "Paraguay" > > 106 "Panama" > > 100 "Morocco" > > > > I've left out those countries with less than 100 affected ways. > > > > For the US, I can break it down by state: > > > > 5696 "Arizona" > > 5116 "Texas" > > 2294 "New York" > > 1164 "District of Columbia" > > 740 "Iowa" > > 494 "Colorado" > > 416 "New Jersey" > > 339 "Illinois" > > 268 "Michigan" > > 239 "Pennsylvania" > > 181 "Missouri" > > 147 "Georgia" > > 129 "New Mexico" > > 123 "North Carolina" > > 115 "California" > > 106 "Virginia" > > > > The breakdown for Mexico: > > > > 7749 "Baja California" > > 2084 "Puebla" > > 1964 "Chihuahua" > > 1539 "Coahuila" > > 1161 "Mexico" > > 1040 "Chiapas" > > 342 "Tamaulipas" > > 241 "Sonora" > > 185 "San Luis Potosi" > > 129 "New Mexico" > > > > and Brazil: > > > > 10904 "São Paulo" > > 2605 "Paraná" > > 945 "Rio de Janeiro" > > 270 "Rio Grande do Sul" > > 154 "Goiás" > > > > and South Africa: > > > > 4422 "Gauteng" > > 750 "KwaZulu-Natal" > > 600 "Eastern Cape" > > 439 "Western Cape" > > 400 "Northern Cape" > > 179 "Mpumalanga" > > > > - each time leaving out a couple others under 100. > > > > We believe that only names, not geometries have been taken from other maps > > so we'll remove and redact the names only. In identifying "names > > contributed by chdr" I took care to really only pick up the names that were > > introduced by them, not names that were there before, and also when chdr > > split a way that had a name I will make sure that the newly created way > > doesn't count as "named by chdr". Additionally, I have ignored those cases > > where chdr simply performed a TIGER expansion (St->Street etc) of a name > > that was there before. > > > > My process has two weak points (that I am aware of): > > > > 1. It doesn't properly "follow" a chrdr-contributed name through way splits > > performed by other users; if someone has split a way created by chdr, then > > the name will remain on the bit that was created by this user. This is > > somewhat unsatisfying but after having manually checked a random sample I > > think the problem is small enough to be ignored. > > > > 2. It is possible that, like with a recent case in Switzerland where I had > > to do a similar redaction, some of these chdr-contributed names will have > > been confirmed by others in a survey, i.e. someone else surveyed the area > > and checked the name, but saw no need to change it in any way since it was > > already correct. Sadly my process will now remove the name even though, had > > the name not been there in the first place, that person could have added > > the name. This is not nice but I don't see how it could be avoided. > > > > Here's a list of way IDs affected, with country and state: > > > > http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/chdr.details > > > > I am trying to keep the damage to OSM to a minimum while at the same time > > respecting copyright. If anyone wants to spot check a few names in their > > area and can suggest a refinement of the process that would leave more > > names in place because there's reason to assume they are legit, I'm all > > ears. > > > > It has been suggested to me that even if names in the US were taken from > > Google, Google would in turn have had them from TIGER and hence we could > > simply leave them be. I am not convinced of this reasoning but willing to > > hear that case argued. > > > > It is sad that chdr isn't available for comment but I must take their > > silence as an admission of wrongdoing. I will fire off another message to > > them pointing to this thread. > > > > Bye > > Frederik > > > > -- > > Frederik Ramm ## eMail [email protected] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-us mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-us mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
