They could all have `operator:wikidata=Q7414497`, then there is no confusion.
A dataset of all operators in OSM linked to wikidata QIDs will be coming soon, I promise! 😄 We already have this for brands, and it’s pretty rad: https://nsi.guide Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Ray Kiddy <r...@ganymede.org> wrote: > > Is there a way that the alt_name vs name situation can be sorted for a key > like "operator"? > > For example, the "San Jose Unified School District" in California gives too > few results in overpass. Add queries for "San José Unified School District" > and you are good. > > If I was looking at the district, it would work to have the name without the > accent as "name" and then, without the accent, it would be the "alt_name". > > But there is no "operator" or "alt_operator" tag on the schools, so I guess I > keep having to use this? > > [out:json][timeout:25]; > // gather results > ( > // query part for: “operator="San Jose Unified School District"” > node["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"]; > way["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"]; > relation["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"]; > node["operator"="San José Unified School District"]; > way["operator"="San José Unified School District"]; > relation["operator"="San José Unified School District"]; > ); > // print results > out body; > >; > out skel qt; > > cheers - ray > > >> On 12/27/19 9:57 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> Thanks, Tod. >> >> BTW, I believe the "official_name" for all California counties is now >> in the format "County of Los Angeles", right? This shouldn't be used >> for the "name=" since almost everyone still puts the County last (e.g. >> "Los Angeles County") in common usage, but official documents will use >> the other way with "of" in the middle. >> >> Joseph Eisenberg >> >>> On 12/28/19, Tod Fitch <t...@fitchfamily.org> wrote: >>> Based on this discussion and my own checking to see what search engines are >>> doing with the data, I think it would be okay to move the alt_name tag value >>> to be a short_name value for the counties in California and Arizona where >>> the current alt_name tag is the same string as the name but without a “ >>> County” suffix. For example: >>> >>> alt_name=“Los Angeles” >>> name=“Los Angeles County” >>> >>> Changed to >>> >>> name=“Los Angeles County” >>> short_name=“Los Angeles” >>> >>> From my side this is now just a desire to be logical and consistent (not >>> always a trait seen in OSM tagging). My initial annoyance has been dealt >>> with on my topo map rendering by creating a Postgresql function that, among >>> other things, will ignore alt_name values if they fit the above criteria. As >>> noted by Joseph Eisenberg, the alt_name/short_name value could probably be >>> dropped in these cases but I suspect that will get more push back than >>> changing the tag. >>> >>> — Tod >>> >>>> On Dec 27, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's not necessary to add an alternative like "Josephine" if the name= >>>> is already "Josephine County" because geocoding and search application >>>> already know to search for part of a name. >>>> >>>> For example this search already finds the "Josephine County" >>>> administrative boundary as the first result: >>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Josephine - and there is no >>>> short alt_name or short_name. >>>> >>>> So I think there is no reason to have this information duplicated if >>>> we are just worried about search. >>>> >>>> -Joseph Eisenberg >>>> >>>> On 12/27/19, stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: >>>>> I truly love the level of detail we get "coming out of the woodwork" so >>>>> that >>>>> we may have excellent real-life examples to share with one another (and >>>>> +1 >>>>> to one another, too!) >>>>> >>>>> To be brief about it (rare for me, I endeavor to get better): good >>>>> examples, discussion / dialog and sharing our real-world experiences and >>>>> knowledge is only going to help things. If somebody reading now has a >>>>> more-concrete understanding of differences between old-, alt-, >>>>> official-, >>>>> and so on, hooray. If such sharper focus finds its way into a >>>>> more-enlightened sentence or paragraph in a wiki, great. >>>>> >>>>> Chip, chip, chipping away at it (are all of us), >>>>> SteveA >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-us mailing list >>>>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-us mailing list >>>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us