I think you've misconstrued the intent of our discussion. The issue is
worldwide labour arbitrage where production moves to the lowest cost
region. This is a reality that must be fully appreciated by those
contemplating a career in North America. As you allude to in your
rebuttal, it is a basic economic argument that is apparently lost on the
massive hordes pursuing degrees in computer science in this country. No
one here is trying to cast aspersions on the quality of Indian workers;
rather, we see India as an up and coming force in the world by virtue of
their favourable demographics. However, I don't believe that this view
has been fully understood in this country.
/gary
On 19-03-13 10:39 AM, Dhaval Giani wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:10 PM Gary via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I believe the short answer is that if you live in North America, you
should avoid wasting money on a costly academic education, even if
you're very gifted, and, instead, focus on vocational training that can
never be outsourced, such as postal work, fire fighter, ambulance
paramedic and medical laboratory services. In that way there is a clean
bifurcation in the nature of work that is carried out between here and
India.
In this wonderful age, you don't have to spend a penny indulging your
interest in computer science, technology, physics and mathematics as you
have internet resources for that purpose. For example, I'm a retired
postal clerk but I entertain myself by downloading lectures on these
topics. I've taught myself c++ and I have lots of fun developing
applications in Linux. I have a passion for A.I and mathematics but I
know that, if you live in this country then these studies can never be
more than an indulgence, unless you have really good connections; but
then, in that case, you can just get a degree in medieval history before
taking the helm as CEO at some company, which is what Carly Fiorinas did
with HP.
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/09/30/carly-fiorinas-medieval-history-major-inspires-young-female-conservatives
/gary
I am not even going to begin by saying how wrong and how racist this
entire topic is.
I have worked with enough poor indian developers. I have also worked
with enough poor highly paid canadian, american and european
developers. They exist everywhere regardless of nationality.
I also worked with enough indian developers whose work would be
classified as poor while in India which magically turned to pretty
good when they started working in the US. I have also heard
interesting things being said by developers here about people in India
which spoke to how blind they were about situations outside of
Canada/US/Europe. (Part of it being, oh, open source is not about
passion to people in India, it is just a job. Well, it is, you know,
because they need food on their plates).
I am horrified that we are sitting here and talking about this.
If you are in the industry, then you are very much aware that is
mostly the grunt work that gets outsourced. If your job is getting
outsourced, then more likely than not, you are not that high up the
value chain. Sorry to break the news to you. Is it a nice thing? No,
absolutely not. I would not wish it on anybody. But the reality is, it
is basic economics. If it can be done for cheaper, and it is not
essential, "quality" (whatever that means), doesn't matter. Don't
begrudge whoever won that. Increase your own value. If you are doing
something essential, your job is not going to go away any time soon.
Let's not be racist and pick on someone other nationality.
Dhaval
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