The full name is Radioworld.  Their website is https://www.radioworld.ca/ and 
they have a physical store on Steeles in North York, with somewhat limited 
hours.  They sell gear for amateur radio, marine/aviation, GPS, including a 
variety of headphones and headsets.

Cheers,
Erica

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On Friday, January 14th, 2022 at 6:03 PM, Karen Lewellen 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> May I ask for the full company name?
>
> Radioworld is a new one for me.
>
> I do agree, they sound like a fine resource!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Karen
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022, Erica Peterson wrote:
>
> > Karen, if this is for a reader (not music), maybe you could visit (or 
> > email) Radioworld and talk with them about their headphones and headsets? 
> > Unfortunately there don't seem to be good product filtering options on the 
> > website, but I would think they would be knowledgeable about the specific 
> > parameters you care about.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Erica
> >
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> >
> > On Friday, January 14th, 2022 at 4:53 PM, Nicholas Krause 
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > On 1/14/22 15:52, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi nick,
> > > >
> > > > I still owe you a response to your note about cellphones, audiophiles, 
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > in the ear monitors...imagine a scrunched face here.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking personally, one does not enjoy quality music on a cellphone 
> > > > smiles.
> > > >
> > > > This audiophile uses a real stereo with real speakers with her real 
> > > > vinyl collection.
> > > >
> > > > To answer your question, I was given too much anesthetic during an eye 
> > > > surgery resulting in a vascular accident to a very tiny part of my 
> > > > brain. In the area that processes speech.
> > > >
> > > > There are solutions, perhaps consult the book "the brain's way of 
> > > > healing." or even the CBC special.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, one result is issues with some frequencies. Aside from 
> > > > headphones, rather a few cell phones, even cordless phones create the 
> > > > same impact, I can get dizzy, with some far far worse factors if 
> > > > exposure continues for a long time.
> > > >
> > > > My cell for example is a lg flip phone, not a smartphone.
> > > >
> > > > It seems? that the closer to analog, the happier my brain happens to be.
> > > >
> > > > Because I am a singer, some of the doctors discussed in the above 
> > > > referenced book began healing this part of my brain, neural plasticity 
> > > > is a magical thing.
> > > >
> > > > Could not finish due to expense at the time however.
> > > >
> > > > Intend returning, with everything crossed staff with the Listening 
> > > > centre here in Toronto remain well.
> > > >
> > > > Long answer to a short question, but long before I had a solution, I 
> > > > was choosing my audio gear very carefully, and my needs differ 
> > > > depending on the device in question.
> > > >
> > > > One set of headphone needs for my talking computer, another for my 
> > > > stereo, a third for my portable Walkman etc.
> > > >
> > > > Does this make sense?
> > > >
> > > > Kare
> > >
> > > That helps now. So your talking about wave form issues with digital 
> > > conversion. Most high
> > >
> > > end DACs get rid of this. As for headphones, that would be some part of 
> > > the frequency not
> > >
> > > sure what. Most really high end headphones don't have this issue. I'm not 
> > > a expert but
> > >
> > > that's probably in the mid high to high frequencies if your talking core 
> > > less. It
> > >
> > > seems that's my best guess. You probably want PCM 96khz or above at least 
> > > to get as close
> > >
> > > to analog as possible if that's your comment. As you mentioned unless you 
> > > have a actual
> > >
> > > good DAC, it's not going to matter here.
> > >
> > > As for IEMs, the market is much better now. Sure it's not as good as true 
> > > open backed or
> > >
> > > really, really high end loudspeakers i.e. Class A. I look at them more as 
> > > it's not terrible
> > >
> > > from my very picky perspective for portable use. I'm very picky even more 
> > > than most of the
> > >
> > > audiophiles I know. I was in the middle of researching my own vinyl setup 
> > > actually that
> > >
> > > meets my standards. So far I'm figured out that moving coil is the only 
> > > way to go. Not sure
> > >
> > > when it will happen through.
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2022, Nicholas Krause wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Karen,
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean by dizzy actually? Normally that or fatigue is a 
> > > > > comfort or sound sensitivity issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example, these days I've very sensitive to frequencies in the mid 
> > > > > range and mid treble. That's
> > > > >
> > > > > about 400hz - 1khz and 6khz-10khz. You may want to figure out if your 
> > > > > sensitive to sound issues in
> > > > >
> > > > > certain parts of the spectrum. Or perhaps you mean something else. 
> > > > > This is just my experience with
> > > > >
> > > > > various people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck with your search through,
> > > > >
> > > > > Nick
> > > > >
> > > > > On 1/14/22 15:10, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Erica,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Sony Mdr-7506 headphones have been a staple of audio production 
> > > > > > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > honestly decades. I got my pair in hmmm2004 or 2005.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, this is a fine example of my personal issue...I cannot use 
> > > > > > them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The impedance on this model is 24, and they make me dizzy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do have production assistants use them, and in all these years 
> > > > > > the ear
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pads remain flawless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That being said, I may be reaching out to Sony directly, as my 
> > > > > > e-mail
> > > > > >
> > > > > > exchange with JVC is becoming rather frustrating smiles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kare
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2022, Erica Peterson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You may have better luck picking a few common brands and going to 
> > > > > > > the > manufacturer websites. Sony, for example, will let you 
> > > > > > > select multiple > models for comparison across features: > 
> > > > > > > https://www.sony.ca/en/electronics/headphones/t/headband-headphones
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > FWIW, about 5 years ago I got a Sony MDR-7506 headset -- 
> > > > > > > > admittedly, not > based on any sort of audiophile specs, but 
> > > > > > > > because I'd seen them used in > recording studios and figured 
> > > > > > > > that was a strong point in their favor. > I'm still very happy 
> > > > > > > > with it but with two small quibbles: (1) the cable > doesn't 
> > > > > > > > detach, so it would be a pain to replace if I were to damage 
> > > > > > > > it, > and (2) the material covering the pads degrades after a 
> > > > > > > > few years. I > just replaced the pads with "Wicked Cushions" 
> > > > > > > > from Amazon, which are > made to fit popular headset models. 
> > > > > > > > The Wicked Cushions are great so > far.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Erica
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Friday, January 14th, 2022 at 1:02 AM, Nicholas Krause via 
> > > > > > > > talk > [email protected] wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-14 12:50 a.m., Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi there,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You know something I have a hard time picturing what 
> > > > > > > > > > > > closed back
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > actually means.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > to my imagination open back means nothing behind my 
> > > > > > > > > > > > head, which is > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > preference. are closed back those behind your head then?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree on 32 for impedance..but sometimes they are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > higher. even > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > no amp involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Karen,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Open Backs have open grills or leak sound through the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > outer part of > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ear cups. They don't isolated sound the way most 
> > > > > > > > > > > > headphones do. You
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > don't see them outside of the audiophile market. The 
> > > > > > > > > > > > problem with
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > closing or isolating sound is frequency issues 
> > > > > > > > > > > > basically. Sound stage > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > one big improvement on them as you can let the drivers 
> > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > breathe.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Most consumer amps in cellphones or whatever can get 
> > > > > > > > > > > > about 60-90 ohms > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > your asking. So anything beyond that is not good. This 
> > > > > > > > > > > > is a problem > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > IEMS in the audiophile market as they have to gear them 
> > > > > > > > > > > > for cellphones
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > actually so most are around 32-48 ohms from memory.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nick
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Nicholas Krause wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-13 4:25 p.m., Karen Lewellen via talk 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine and interesting list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be sure, the idea of noise cancellation, or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any variation's > > > > > is a no,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not just because of the sense of position, but 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because I have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking in my ears when I use them in this 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular > > > > > setting..no phone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ringing, door bells, or the all important music 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > playing in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > background.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have been a radio producer, and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional singer for > > > > > many many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years, over the ear headphones are the most 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comfortable, > > > > > speaking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I truly dislike earbuds, they tend not to stay 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my ears, to > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure on my ear canal etc...and the buttons 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are a no, mic > > > > > interferes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the machine.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing, for this particular 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > set of headphones
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A combination of frequency range, sensitivity, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impedance, and > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > units...oh and input power.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a few settings in the wrong direction, and the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > headphones will > > > > > make me
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dizzy..literary.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And those numbers can be device specific, what 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use for my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > edge, differs for what I use for production, or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music listening, > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is part of why once found I may buy more 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than one pair.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cannot fault you for using the same ones since 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 80's. Had a > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got from radio shack that I used for more 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a decade as > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goodness but I miss radio shack.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Karen,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would not find the model in the previous 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email. However, my two > > > > sense
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are over ear can mean different things. A 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current pair of > > > > headphones was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated that but it's more what Hugh was calling 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other things were I normally prefer open 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed as it's the > > > > only way
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to not screw around with frequency issues. I've 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my reasons. As to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > standard closed backs AKG, Sennheiser, Sony are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the big good > > > > players
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from memory. I'm not sure of the site design 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for your needs so > > > > sorry :(.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your original pair was around 200 dollars from 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > memory and they all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have something good in that price point to my 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to weight normally anything under 400 grams 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is fine for most > > > > people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for impendance it should be 32 ohms or less 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if your not using > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual amp.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, D. Hugh Redelmeier via 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | From: Karen Lewellen via talk 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | If you desire a visual idea then 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps google jvc > > > > > > > | 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ha-s44x.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From past discussions, I know your 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping technique isn't > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mine.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I'll mention my considerations on 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the off chance you > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most wired headphones are electrically 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / electronically
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interchangeable. Of course that's a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good thing. It also > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are a lot to choose from.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are lots of issues of sound 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reproduction quality, but > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > honest, all should have sound 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality that is good enough > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (as I understand it).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would imagine that the main 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues are comfort -- a very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing. Oh, and durability -- not 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something in the specs!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's what I glean from the specs 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your old headphones:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -   closed (i.e. they try to block 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sound from your > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > environment)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -   over-ear [I find such headphones uncomfortable 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > quickly]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -   5.57 ounces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -   button controls (what do they control?)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -   1.2 m cable [the units are unspecified but 1.2 ft 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >      very short]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you use the buttons? What for?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think "over-ear" means that these 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clamp on your ear as > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clamping on your head around the ear 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("circumaural"). I find
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over-ear
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very uncomfortable after a few minutes 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I seem to be in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minority.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really want to have sound 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation from the room
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("closed")?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I imagine "situational awareness" would 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be useful.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of habit, I use ancient Sennheiser 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HD430 phones. They > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > circumaural, light, open [i.e. I can 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hear things going on in > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > room], good enough sound. They have 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replaceable cables and > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ear pads
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (but now hard to find). Out of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production since 1986. I find > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even these get uncomfortable after a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current favourite is ear-buds. The 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ones with a selection > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tips, not the hard ones. You can get 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decent inexpensive ones > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have, for example:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002184896879.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently C$16.84 without microphone. I 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paid less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other brands that are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely fine.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an enthusiastic following for 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chi-fi".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TWS (true wireless stereo) headphones 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are amazingly > > > > > > > convenient
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bluetooth. But you don't. There are a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot of adapters to > > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analog
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Bluetooth but I don't have any 
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