On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:22 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <[email protected]> wrote: > > This Red Hat change concerns me. >snip
> > It feels as if RH steers the future of Linux by making so many > contributions. > > - Ubuntu LTS + fresh Ubuntu has been pretty good. I've had more > problems with package updates on Ubuntu than of Fedora, but it has > been pretty good. Distro version upgrades have been good but not > perfect in my modest experience. > > Canonical has repeatedly acted in ways that offend or scare me. So > Ubuntu, although easy, feels like a potential trap. Found this to be true - - - - spent a lot of time a number of years ago looking into LXD - - - the snap environment is one that NEVER will be seen here again if I can help it. Canonical is, imo, desperately looking for ways to monetize their brand - - - - - someone's just have to have more $$$$$$$$$. > > - debian Stable + Testing + Unstable. I don't have much experience > with debian. I fear that the lack of full-time paid engineers might > reduce the safety relative to RH (that could easily just be FUD). > debian's goals are good by me. > > So: I'm thinking of switching to debian. I was with Debian for over 10 years - - - have now switched to Devuan - - - thereby getting rid of another item of 'control'. > > I'd like to learn from others. How do you choose to solve these > problems? Maybe some of them are non-problems. The problem is that the small encroachments don't tend to isolate - - they tend to grow - - - somewhat like microbes! (With similar results in my experience!). > > ================ > > Giles has a problem with needing a stable distro with a more recent > FireFox. I suggested, against my preferences, that this might be a > perfect use for Snaps/Flatpacks. Snaps are a system controlling adventure - - - be aware of this BEFORE starting down that road. Haven't used flatpacks. I find that browsers are needing updates almost on a daily basis. Am wondering if there is a way of reducing the 'encroachment' of the nefarious bits of cruft adhering to all browsers (at least as far as I see). > > I wonder if I should be using a stable distro everywhere but with > containerized upgraded packages where they matter. I yet don't think > so. > > The rest of my family uses Fedora on their workstations. But they > hate applying updates (even when I do the work). They are way behind > most of the time. Maybe a stable distro + a fresh FireFox would be > best for them too. I've already been informed that if I weren't doing updates windows would be applied post haste - - - something about the devil they know!!!! (Work systems are all M$ Win!) > > How many other packages would I need to have fresher-than-stable? > > - support for newer hardware > > - compilers etc. > > - more pain-points would be discovered. > > ================ > > A fundamental problem is that feature changes and bug fixes are > usually mingled in upstream. In some cases, it is a false > distinction. Few developers want to maintain a bunch of old releases. > It is very hard for a distro to correctly separate these two, and yet > that is required to maintain a stable distro. I tend to run in debian's equivalent of 'testing'. Found over the last more than 10 years that that was a reasonable compromise to stability and currentness. HTH --- Post to this mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
