There is nothing silly in engendering some conversation around promoting an updatable cert that allows PHP to be constantly guiding programmers up to and in to the known needed skills most highly anticipated in the market today.
I would like to clarify: 1) I originally suggested to simply use the Zend cert 2) That I said that I felt that it behooves us as a professional group of PHP programmers to have some standardized way to measure skill set to clarify the career path for programmers and to give hiring managers some kind of benchmark to start from 3) I am not proposing that the cert be mandatory. It would be an optional -- but highly recommended and PHP endorsed -- step that gives a programmer a method to demonstrate his knowledge according to a known standard Use the Zend cert. But PHP has to get behind it. And persuade it into the hands of programmers/managers right from the get go. I did my time. Read the books, made a library, read PDFs on my PDA while I commuted, worked all night, fetched arcane answers from obscure blogs. My experience says it would have helped to have a clearer professional knowledge path set out. But if we want to leave the industry as a bad lands of high plains drifters and men with names who guard and protect their craft to the exception of new comers then hey that is the way it stays and all enjoy. But, I feel that if this PHP craft wants manage its identity. Plan ahead for a future tightly integrated to more and more demanding digital/internet alert businesses, then we should polish the methodology of the tool set somewhat. Pero, hombres, esto es solo mis dos centavos y usted debe construir sus propios sueños. Pedro -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Campbell Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:00 PM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and thePHP+Developer This is sillyness in my opinion. All certs are fatally flawed. As soon as you write a good test, someone writes a better study guide. I personally think the latest Zend test would be hard to improve upon. If you think you can do better than Zend, Microsoft, et al, I think you are kidding yourself, but I would love to be proven wrong. John C. _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
