Darrell, The Read to End issue might be caused by a hot key conflict. After assigning Control-Shift-Enter as my hot key for Read To End via the Window-Eyes Control Panel, I was able to perform a Read To End successfully in my Google Docs document. I got some repeated text at the end of the document which isn't ideal but got similar results when testing with other screen readers. This was on a Windows 8.1 PC running Firefox 35.01 and Window-Eyes 9. Regarding headings, Google Docs provides its own functions for working with headings. There are navigation options under the Accessibility menu, Headings pull down as well as layered keyboard shortcuts for heading navigation. This will be a reoccurring theme when working in web applications. Instead of trying to use Browse Mode functions that are designed for conventional static web pages, you will instead need to use the built in functions and keyboard shortcuts provided by the web application developer that work best with Browse Mode turne d off. Regards, Marc
-----Original Message----- From: Darrell Bowles [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:52 AM To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes 9 and Google Drive Something that I have noticed, is that you can't do a read to end in google docks. Also, when you do headings, window-eyes does not let you navigate by headings. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:46 AM To: Richard G Applegate ; 'Window-EyesDiscussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes 9 and Google Drive Hi Richard, The option of using ESC to re-enable Browse Mode was turned off by default for me. I turned it on in the control panel and then tested the steps you suggested. My experience was similar to yours. After I turned on Browse Mode with ESC, I then hit Up Arrow a few times. Then I turned Browse Mode off with Control-Shift-A and could not resume editing in the document area. I could use TAB to return to the document area, but at that point, I was not getting accurate speech output when navigating with my Arrow keys. With that being said, I wanted to share some additional insight that should help you overcome this problem. First, if you refresh the web page using the Firefox shortcut of F5, everything starts working again as expected. After I refreshed the web page, Browse Mode turned off automatically, screen reader support mode was automatically enabled, and I was able to read and edit the document with no issues. All punctuation read for me when navigating by character and punctuation was ignored when reading by line. I would suggest you use this simple work around anytime you accidentally turn on Browse Mode and get stuck in Google Docs. Second, Google Docs is a dynamic web application that is designed to be completely accessible and usable without enabling Browse Mode. So, there shouldn't be any need to turn Browse Mode on when using Google Docs and therefore you shouldn't have to deal with this issue under normal operation. Regards, Marc -----Original Message----- From: Richard G Applegate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:11 PM To: Marc Solomon; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes 9 and Google Drive Hi Mark: I am definitely not hearing punctuation when I type it or cursor over it. Just as a test, what happens if you hit ESCAPE to activate Browse mode and then use the up or down arrow? If I arrow down I find the link that says Screen reader mode is active, or something like that. If I then use CTRL-SHIFT-a to toggle Browse mode off, I am no-longer in the edit area of the document. CTRL-ALT-z first toggles screen reader mode off. I am using WIN 7HP with FF 35.0.1 and Window-Eyes 9.0.0. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Solomon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:00 PM To: Richard G Applegate; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes 9 and Google Drive Hi Richard, I am using Windows 8.1, Firefox 35.01 and Window-Eyes 9. I have all screen punctuation turned off (globally) and all keyboard punctuation turned on (globally). When I get into Google Docs, the screen reader support mode turns on automatically. If it doesn't, the hot key to toggle this feature is Control-Alt-Z. Once it is enabled, I am hearing punctuation as I type and when I cursor by character. When I navigate to a line of text with Up or Down Arrow, Window-Eyes does not announce the punctuation and honors my screen punctuation settings. Not sure why you are getting the results you are but wanted to let you know I cannot duplicate the issue with the settings and environment listed above. I am also able to turn Browse Mode on manually with Control-Shift-A and then turn it off again without issue. For me, the insertion point stays in the document regardless of the state of Browse Mode and as soon as Browse Mode is turned off, I am able to begin working in the document area ag ain. On a side, note, there is a Enable Braille support option under the settings pull down in the Accessibility menu of the Google Docs toolbar (Alt-Shift-A). If I turn this option on, I get the best possible experience in speech tool. I hope you find this info helpful. Regards, Marc -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard G Applegate via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 6:42 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Window-Eyes 9 and Google Drive Hello listers: I have just been tooling around with Google Drive and Window-Eyes 9. Below are my observations based on a very brief test: 1. For me, Window-Eyes does not read punctuation, either when I type it, cursor over it or when I backspace over it. 2. I'm not sure whether it is Window-Eyes or Google Drive but at times there appears to be a phantom extra space between words. 3. Upon hitting escape, I seem to have gone into browse mode which doesn't allow me to edit the current document. Unfortunately, I haven't found a way to get back into "edit" mode. I did try CTRL-SHIFT-a which perportedly took me out of Browse mode but I still was not able to edit my document. Tabbing did little to help. There is no "edit" on the page so I was unable to use the quick-nav method of finding the edit box and returning to "edit" mode. If anyone can point out my ignorance, on this issue only, or give me tips I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance. 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