Rick,
Sorry. But if you don't want VBScripts, for whatever reason, remember
that you can use any other Com-supporting scripting language for
scripting WE. You state you are doing computer development, so should
not be much for you to script what you want. The CapBeeper script - I do
believe - even is open sourced, so you could easily look at how they
have solved the issue, and transfer it into a scripting system you would
so greatly accept.
If you just get yourself around it, it should be no trouble to make
whatever pitch change you want. It even may be possible to change the
actual Eloquence voice, that would be used for the capitals.
I just don't see what you expect to accomplish. If you are a developer,
then develop your script the way you want it. If you don't, then stick
with what apps are available. What in the world is so wrong with a tiny
VBScript, only a few lines long? And if none of that serves, then I
could suggest to install the GWAudiokit app, and script something that
would make use of it, since that will let you adjust the volume of any
beeping sounds your app is going to make.
Sorry, but there is not much other to provide you at this moment. If you
want further scripting discussion, please take the issue to the
Scripting list. You there might be able to pick up some good advice.
Yet, they likely will ask you to start out with the CapBeeper anyway, if
for nothing else, then at least to learn what is included.
I am sure, several of the developers of apps for WE would like to help
you out. But most of us are doing VBScripting, and you so thouroughly
have made it clear that you don't want VBScripts. In effect, you have
blocked many of us from offering to compile something that could have
helpd you out.
Again, I do not want to argue you. Simply just trying to point out to
you, that you have been provided all current solutions. None of that
served you, and I do understand that it would be great had WE offered
some further settings in this regard. Hopefully AISquared could put that
on the wishlist for furture releases. Meanwhile, if you want someone to
assist with a script for the feature you are asking, take it to the
Scripting list, and likely accept VBScripts. If you want, go ahead and
construct your own script for the job. Inside an app, it is absolutely
not difficult to adjust the pitch, of any voice that supports pitching.
Eloquence is good in that regard, and like I said, you can even use one
of the alternative Eloquence voices (like Sandy) for the purpose. It
will provide a clearly distinct voice for the job. You then let it act
upon any capital letter that is about to be spoken. In basic, what the
CapBeeper is doing, just you change the voice instead of beeping. All of
that is far too techie for this list, so go to the Scripting list for
more details.
Hope you get a solution that serves your needs.
David
On 3/6/2015 4:18 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
Hi Louis: You are right about individual letters being more and less
recognizible as caps via pitch in WindowEyes.
I am not sure if the cap pitch is a standard feature of a synth but I know
both jaws and NVDA have settings to adjust the cap pitch up or down.
They also have 0 lag time for this feature as far as I can tell.
I am currently using the beeper visual basic script developed by some user
who also likely had this problem with WindowEyes.
It is not a good solution but the best work-around for this WindowEyes
problem I have found so far.
There might be a way to script an actual pitch change but I really don't
like using let alone createing visual basic scripts to run on something I
want to be as high performing as my screen reader.
So unless Aaron and the guys get around to adding this to match NVDA and
JAWS features we areSOL.
Just use the beeper app and have allot of tylenol on hand.
If I can turn the volume downon the beep it might be ok but I sure don't
look forward to 10 hours a day of that noise while trying to do computer
design, programming and testing debugging while using camel casing variables
and objects.
So that is the state of affairs as I find them so far.
I have other options for programming and have been using them in place of
WindowEyes more and more over the past year or so.
I had hoped for this and some other performance enhancements in the 9.1
release but it seems this feature was passed over by the AI Squared staff.
Rick USA
-----Original Message-----
From: gosselin_louis [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:44 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Chris Grabowski'
Subject: RE: Caps Pitch Control
I, too, have found that the elevation of the voice pitch was unsatisfactory,
but it's also true that the elevation of the pitch seems to depend on which
letter is the one capitalized. I'm sure that somewhere in the lines of
code that controls the synthesizer, there has to have been a parameter that
causes the pitch to shift, so it has to be possible to change that
parameter. Perhaps it would take the owners of Eloquence to do it, but I'm
betting it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to accomplish it. Do you
think it might be worth writing to them? Maybe there's even something the
end-user might access with some direction from the company. You never know
for sure unless you ask.
Louis Gosselin
-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:12 AM
To: 'Chris Grabowski'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Caps Pitch Control
Hi Chris: OK so WindowEyes cant set the cap pitch as can other screen
readers.
This is not a good thing.
I will try the beeper script but I don't like running ever more and more vb
scripts just to have basic screen reader functions available.
I will let you know how it turns out.
Rick USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Grabowski [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:50 AM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Caps Pitch Control
Hi Rick,
It is not possible to change the level of pitch for capital letters.
We offer the 60 day evaluation version so people can have access to
everything Window-eyes has to offer, including the premium synthesizers.
If the pitch change isn't enough, perhaps installing the third party cap
beeper app.
https://www.gwmicro.com/App_Central/Apps/Download/?scriptid=1216
This makes a beep when you move across a capital letter. You can even use
a different sound if you don't like the beep the author included.
Thanks,
Chris
Window-Eyes Product Support
Ai Squared
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-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:02 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Caps Pitch Control
Hi Steve: There should be a way to control the pitch change for capital
letters me thinks.
I havent found it in WindowEyes Settings yet though.
Some speech operations are still slightly sluggish even with Eloquence which
I have to attribute to WindowEyes itself from past experience.
That said I am asking about how to improve the speech settings including the
pitch change for capitalization - I am pretty sure that is doable but not
sure WindowEyes has a setting to do it, we will see.
I just dropped 40 bucks to get Eloquence so I hope WindowEyes takes
advantage of its feature set.
The slight lag times are annoying but not so bad that I will dump WindowEyes
all be it I am disapointed so far with WindowEyes performance with a hot
synth like Eloquence.
But, as mentioned, I will ask on list how to tweak settings to see if I can
get things working well enough to not be a constant hassle using WindowEyes.
Wish I could have given WindowEyes and Eloquence a glowing congratulations
out of the box but it is what it is.
Rick USA
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