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> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the > communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that > Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything > usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a > Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do > anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured > screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader is > available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called > accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even > have an accessible experience on windows. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to >> accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from >> blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions >> to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this >> out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be >> forced out of buisness. >> which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of >> these companies. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Duran via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM >> To: Talk >> Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check >> >> What's this "second class" citizen nonsense? What's this "poor me" attitude? >> I don't get it! >> >> The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems because >> of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is so get over >> it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack of. It has nothing >> to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the >> weather! >> >> No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are bugging >> millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! >> They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. >> >> Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their products; >> it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C Consortium sets >> accessibility standards worldwide, and the big companies try to meet them >> and keep up. Complexity is the "enemy" not Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so >> on. >> >> The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I was a >> college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books recorded on >> cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to find the stuff I >> needed to read for class the next day, a laborious process indeed. Now, I >> perform similar tasks, but with an accessible computer using search >> commands, and get annoyed when a search takes more than a few seconds. Go >> figure! >> >> Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take more >> than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. >> >> Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a "whine >> list" which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for the fixes to >> Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be available on a >> multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, and who knows what >> else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a single user interface >> across devices so I will need to learn only one set of commands to work with >> them all. >> >> Someone on this list just complained about the "ribbon bar" now in some more >> Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user interface and thus >> simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't like to change; my sighted >> wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't know how to use the ribbon bar, and >> she refuses to read my tutorial about it. That's her problem, not >> Microsoft's! >> >> Peter Duran >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com and let me add > one more thing, the NFB wants to force Apple to make all of their apps > accessible? Why not Microsoft? Why not Google? It seems that Microsoft and > Google are lagging behind, but I guess, when you have third-party companies > providing accessibility, they have less of a priority. _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
