-----Original Message----- From: Peter Duran [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:33 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'net bat' Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check
You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the Narrator program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference over a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to participate in development work. Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when they unvaled their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility. Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a way free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft? Peter Duran -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to do anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully featured screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even have an accessible experience on windows. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk <[email protected]> wrote: > > if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the polatitions to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be forced out of buisness. > which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of these companies. > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Duran via Talk > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM > To: Talk > Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check > > What's this "second class" citizen nonsense? What's this "poor me" attitude? > I don't get it! > > The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems > because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is > so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack > of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual > orientation, or the weather! > > No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are > bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop whining! > They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so unhappy. > > Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their > products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C > Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big > companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the "enemy" not > Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on. > > The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I > was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books > recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to > find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious > process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible > computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes > more than a few seconds. Go figure! > > Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take > more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated. > > Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a > "whine list" which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for > the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be > available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones, > and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a > single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one > set of commands to work with them all. > > Someone on this list just complained about the "ribbon bar" now in > some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user > interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't > like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't > know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial > about it. That's her problem, not Microsoft's! > > Peter Duran > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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