Sure Steve: Later and have a good weekend. Rick USA -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:36 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <[email protected]> Subject: RE: got cut off again for bounces. Please set me up again.
Rick, Let's take this off the list after this. Since you replied on the list, let me only say that the list where I had similar bouncing trouble was not a list I controlled. In the case where my address was blocked, I did go to my provider who got it resolved, but the solution was getting it unblocked by the system receiving my email. In other words, a broad policy invoked by the receiving service was the cause, and in the end, they had to make the change, not my provider, but I and my provider had to spend the time proving we were not spammers and succeeded in the end. While you say millions of lists don't have this problem but one does, I have already mentioned that I know of other lists that do. One can also note that even on this list, many of us are not having a problem but only some do, but let's let them try to resolve this. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: Rick Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 6:31 AM To: 'Steve Jacobson' <[email protected]>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <[email protected]> Subject: RE: got cut off again for bounces. Please set me up again. Hi Steve, responding to your initial analysis with some suggestions: Well, it is only sort of the provider since this doesn't happen to everyone. Have you checked the Mailman Log Files to ensure it isnt happening to everyone? If so what are the messages about why you were getting bounce backs - either you should have access to these logs or your list provider should supply them upon request. Also, perhaps certain messages may pass a security check based on where they are sent from originally and where the major network host checks for compliance. This is, of course, if such logs are produced by the Mailman software but I should guess logs are produced since this is a major piece of software. It is also the email server that receives email that is taking a broader approach to limiting spam. If that were not the case, this would be happening to more of us. Until you check the logs and, or, verify exactly where and why messages are getting flagged as spam with your list provider you can not make this assumption for sure. Yes, some individual hosts may bounce back messages if flagged as spam or they might flag them as spam but then everyone on these lists would be notified of this since the messages would end up in their spam folder. When this happens we have to ask why and where the list messages are being flagged as spam. Could be the list is not recognized until a member clicks to allow list messages to come through as a normal process of their account setup. Could be that the big network has flagged the message as spam, per my prior discussion, and passed it through to the individuals host who then puts it into the spam folder. This said, my messages are never marked as spam and never, nothing, is placed in my spam folder on my computer nor on the Road Runner / Brighthouse internet account management platform. Yet, I got bounced indicating the problem is that my messages are both getting bounced back to your provider and being sent through to me without being flagged as spam and passed through my Road Runner / Brighthouse account as not being spam. This indicates that the answers I have received from several folks who have managed lists using Mailman may indeed fit the description of the problem more accurately. In any case, you guys are working on the problem and my first suggestion would be to see if you can get access to the Mailman logs for your accounts. Also, check to ensure your provider is handling the DKIM, whatever that Domain Security stuff is, and, or, has Mailman setup not to deactivate your client accounts because of bounce back counts if they want to use some other security methodology. These are only suggestions and I am beginning to feel like I am beating a dead hourse and there are a couple of folks on list who are complaining about this thread so I am out but you can contact me off list if you want or if there is anything I can do to help with testing etc... You have my e-mail address on file so I wont post it here for GOD and the World. Later and have a good weekend indeed! Rick USA Rick USA _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. 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