Stephen and all other list members, I work for Ai Squared but what I am about to write are my own personal thoughts. Ai Squared's most important job is making computers, applications and Web pages accessible for our customers. As you know this is not a trivial task and requires a team effort and collaboration with many other organizations. We don't have the time or resources to ensure everyone on this last follows the golden and acts civil towards one another. We depend on the list members to self moderate and treat each other with decency and respect. Before you hit the send button, please ask your self: Will the contents of this message help the Window-Eyes community or advance the cause of accessibility and inclusion? If not, it would probably be best to take the high road, take a deep breath and just let it go. In order for us to create positive change in this world, we need to work together and not let our personel differences stand in the way of progress. Regards, Marc
Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On May 23, 2016 4:46:29 PM Stephen Clark via Talk <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against me. > > Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they the > true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never > reached this point. > > > On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote: >> WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM IM >> GLAD U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL THEM TO GO >> JUMP IN THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN >> MURPHY >> >> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Thanks, Rod. >> >> Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid >> 1.3 billion in taxes last year. >> >> Regards, >> Tom >> >> >> On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Stephen, >>> >>> I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man >>> and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques. >>> You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling >>> myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time, >>> longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this >>> list to be a place of safety from personal attack. >>> I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me >>> by writing to me privately. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Stephen Clark [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM >>> To: Rod Hutton <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web >>> results >>> >>> I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you >>> either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to >>> me by another mean and in appropriate list member. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> ==Steve >>> >>> On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote: >>>> Stephen, >>>> >>>> Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate. If you find it >>>> difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you >>>> found some other forum for your comments. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Rod Hutton >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Talk >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk >>>> Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM >>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge >>>> for web results >>>> >>>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really >>>> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us >>>> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go >>>> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never >>>> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your >>>> government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some >>>> people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most >>>> certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to >>>> mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with >>> no way to change it. >>>> >>>> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote: >>>>> Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not >>>>> having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means >>>>> absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You >>>>> may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we >>>>> will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is >>>>> Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe >>>>> they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to. >>>>> >>>>> John Bonham >>>>> >>>>> On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote: >>>>>> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual >>>>>> research to find out what's really going on in the world? For >>>>>> example, >>>>>> Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a >>>>>> fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote: >>>>>>> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to >>>>>>> use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied >>>>>>> to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task >>>>>>> bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, >>>>>>> Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. >>>>>>> So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've >>>>>>> got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system. >>>>>>> Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, >>>>>>> I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the >>>>>>> search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture >>>>>>> that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other >>>>>>>> screen readers. However, my original message is not to be critical >>>>>>>> of Win-eyes. >>>>>>>> It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going >>>>>>>> with Edge and if accessibility is not provided to it soon with in >>>>>>>> the near future I feel we'll be left behind. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Stephen: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, >>>>>>>>> but I have one question. >>>>>>>>> Do any of the other screen readers have Edge accessibility built >>>>>>>>> into them? >>>>>>>>> Kevin Huber >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for >>>>>>>>>> Edge, has any one noticed the following recent change? When you >>>>>>>>>> do a search from the start menu and you press enter to search >>>>>>>>>> the web for your result, it will now only bring up Edge >>>>>>>>>> regardless of what your default web browser is. 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