Hi David and Carol, It's funny, but I just tested Kate, Paul and James, and I'm not seeing this behavior. I am using the current releases of these voices, however, as these are bundled with the current version of K1000. Perhaps this glitch was corrected with the current versions of these voices.
Hth, Rod -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:19 AM To: Carol and Roger <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]>; Lloyd Rasmussen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: strange speaking of character Glad you got it figured out. My guess is, even though wild, that you will experience similar issues, should you change the I with a V or X in your sample line. V is the Roman Number 5, and X is 10 - so your synth may read those numbers to you. Could be interesting to know if this is the case. I did use to have Paul and Kate installed, but currently don't, so cannot do the testing of my idea right off-hand. To handle the issue, my suggestion would be to install the Extended Dictionary, since you then could make an entry that took care of a comma, space and capitalized I sequence, and forced the voice to recognize that as a legal English word. The basic exception dictionary of Window-Eyes won't let you do this kind of tweaking, due to it not honoring non-textual characters. David On 7/23/2016 2:59 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: > Thanks to the Window-Eyes staff and David, my problem has been solved. > First, I am using Neospeech Paul or Voiceware Paul, whichever you > choose to call the voice. It appears the problem here is the comma > after the word "hi" and before the letter "I." If I break the line, it > says "i" and if I choose another voice, it says "i" meaning that the > VWPaul voice must have a feature which allows for Roman Numerals. I > will also check my WE settings to see if there is another option. > After playing with my settings, I have determined that the issue is > with the voice, not Window-Eyes. Thank you for the assistance, I am > sure. OK, now that I have that figured out, the I after the comma > next to the word assistance, does say I, not one as I might expect, > grin. Anyway, it is no big deal, I just couldn't figure out why it was > saying one. And, it has not done it anywhere else except in the > example I referred to earlier. Everyone have a nice weekend. > > Carol > > > > On 7/22/2016 8:31 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: >> Eloquence's pronunciation of many words does depend on the context. >> So I wouldn't be completely surprised if I was interpreted as a Roman >> numeral 1 in a few cases. >> >> >> >> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD >> http://lras.home.sprynet.com >> -----Original Message----- From: David via Talk >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:28 PM >> To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: strange speaking of character >> >> OK, I am using Eloquence, and Thunderbird. Reading to the end, or >> arrowing line by line, it doesn't matter - I do not see the behavior >> you are experiencing, sorry. Yet, I do appreciate that you may have >> another synthesizer, and you may have settings or even apps that >> could cause this kind of behavior, so the following will be of >> general interest, annd hence you will have to do a bit of playing to >> see what would help you out. >> >> Looking through the line in question, the main differences between >> the two I's, that I noticed, is that there is a comma at the end of >> the preceeding word of the first I. Now, if some ap you have >> installed, or even your synthesizer's firmware interprets a >> capitalized I in the beginning of a clause, should be pronounced as >> the Roman number 1, you are right at the core of the issue. >> >> Solutions? >> My first go, would have been to copy the line in question to a blank >> document in something like Notepad. This so as to let you play around >> with it, without disturbing anything. try to edit the line, removing >> the comma, and then let the synthesizer read it out to you. Does the >> same behavior display? Try leaving the comma in place, but break the >> phrase into two different lines, that the first line will hold the >> text up to the comma, and the second line will start out with the >> first I. Arrow up and down, realizing how your synth will do the job. >> >> If any of the above would improve the speech, chances are that my >> guess had something to it - your screen reader interprets the first I >> as Roman number 1. Numerous reasons could play their role, the two >> main ones would be the synth used may have this kind of built-in >> interpretation, and the second one would be any apps you have >> installed. So try turning off any apps that may have an impact on >> your textual interpretation. I do know, there used to exist an app on >> App Central for making the speech read out Roman numbers correctly, >> so if you happen to be a user of that one, it might be one to turn >> off for the testing. And again, changing the synth may be the whole solution worth. >> >> Hope any of this would prove helpful in your tracing the reason for >> this behavior. Like I said, I did not hear the pronunciation you described. >> To me, both the I's were spoken properly as what they inreality are, >> the capitalized letter I. this even if arrowed up and down, or left >> and right through your sample line. There did exist no difference in >> the pronunciation. Hence, you may have something in use on your >> system, that causes this kind of behavior to come through. >> >> Like others on the list, if you happen to trace a possible reason for >> the behavior, would you mind to post the results to the list? At >> least it would be of informative value. And who knows, probably it >> could be the basis for some kind of "fixing app". :) >> >> >> David >> >> On 7/22/2016 6:05 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: >>> Can anyone explain why my screen says two different things when >>> pronouncing the first "I" in the below partial sentence? >>> >>> Hi Carol, I will let you know if I >>> >>> This was in an email and when I opened the message, both of the I's >>> said "eye". When I arrowed through the message, one line at a time, >>> the first "I" was spoken as "one" and the second was spoken as >>> "eye." As far as I can tell, they both have the same unicode symbol >>> and everything seems equal. Yes, I know it is not a big deal, I am >>> just puzzled as to why it would happen. Thanks. Also, I sent this >>> message to myself before sending it to the group and it still does >>> the same thing. There are many I's in this message and they all are >>> spoken correctly except the one in the message. Really, I am mostly >>> curious as to why only one letter would change its pronunciation >>> >>> Carol >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%4 0hotmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> >> >> David >> >> On 7/22/2016 6:05 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: >>> Can anyone explain why my screen says two different things when >>> pronouncing the first "I" in the below partial sentence? >>> >>> Hi Carol, I will let you know if I >>> >>> This was in an email and when I opened the message, both of the I's >>> said "eye". When I arrowed through the message, one line at a time, >>> the first "I" was spoken as "one" and the second was spoken as >>> "eye." As far as I can tell, they both have the same unicode symbol >>> and everything seems equal. Yes, I know it is not a big deal, I am >>> just puzzled as to why it would happen. Thanks. Also, I sent this >>> message to myself before sending it to the group and it still does >>> the same thing. There are many I's in this message and they all are >>> spoken correctly except the one in the message. Really, I am mostly >>> curious as to why only one letter would change its pronunciation >>> >>> Carol >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%4 0hotmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lras%40sprynet .com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40e mbarqmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%4 0hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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