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On Aug 2, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Fact 6, Rome was not built in a day. Does that mean Rome doesn't exist today? In other words, accessibility is not trivial to implement. In fact, it is downright hard to do and requires the efforts of brilliant and passionate engineers. I sure wish you could appreciate that fact if no other. Recognizing this truth might encourage you to stop attacking the people that are trying to help. In closing, can't we all just get along? Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On August 2, 2016 7:53:00 PM Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com> wrote: fact number five, the edge browser is not accessible to screen readers. Making your fax immaterial On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com<mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com>> wrote: Hi Vaughn, Regretfully, I don't have any specifics to share regarding how close Window-Eyes is to adding official support for Edge. But, the advancements we are seeing in Edge seem like a good indicator that 3rd party screen reader support is not too far off in the distance. Best, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com > On August 2, 2016 7:23:53 PM Vaughan Dodd > <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz<javascript:;>> wrote: > > Hi Marc. > > I'm perhaps tempting fate - are you signaling that in fact, Window-eyes is > close to having the interface we need? > > I can check for myself as to the real user's experience of course when the > anniversary of Windows 10 gets to a machine near me. > > Vaughan. > > > Understand if non-disclosure still applies. > > Vaughan. > > > > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing or > faxing any new referrals. > > Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor. > > Desk2desk: 97187. > Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz<javascript:;>. > For referrals: email fax_gnlis001_health_disabil...@msd.govt.nz<javascript:;>. > > Our up-to-date desk file is located at: > http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001<javascript:;>=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;>] > On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2016 11:07 a.m. > To: Kevin Barry > Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge (my final response on this thread, I > promise <grin>) > > Fact number 1: Microsoft Edge used to accessibly support 0 percent of HTML5 > features. > Fact number 2: In less than 12 months, Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports > 100 percent of HTML5 features. > Fact number 3: Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports more HTML5 features > than any other major browser. > Fact number 4: Web browsers accessibly supporting HTML5 features will make > the web more usable for people who use assistive technology including screen > reader users > Source: > www.html5accessibility.com<http://www.html5accessibility.com><http://www.html5accessibility.com> > (curated by The Paciello Group, a globally recognized leader in digital > accessibility) Explanation of terms – HTML5 features “accessibly supported” > by a web browser includes if they are keyboard accessible, mapped to the > platform accessibility APIs, and if any accessibility related features are > supported. An accessibly supported feature means it is usable by people who > rely on assistive technology, without developers having to supplement with > ARIA or other additional workarounds. > > From: Kevin Barry [mailto:krba...@gmail.com<javascript:;>] > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 6:23 PM > To: Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com<javascript:;>> > Cc: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com<javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes Discussion > List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;>>; Portia Scott > <porti...@sbcglobal.net<javascript:;>> > Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge > > As soon as Microsoft make some progress, please share it with us. In the > meantime, please stop apologizing for their inexcusable choices. > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon > <msolo...@aisquared.com<javascript:;><mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com<javascript:;>>> > wrote: > Kevin, > You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader and > accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, eduction, > and cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue to share > facts about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of > accessibility. And, I sincerely hope that in the near future users of screen > readers will have access to another web browser under Windows. > Marc > > Sent with AquaMail for Android > http://www.aqua-mail.com > > On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry > <krba...@gmail.com<javascript:;><javascript:;>> wrote: > > Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has decided > to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult to injury, > we must evidently put up with people who should know better making apologies > for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white. > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon > <msolo...@aisquared.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com<javascript:;><javascript:;>>> > wrote: > Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end to > end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the OS > and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the accessibility > architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working on making this > happen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>=aisquared....@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>] > On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM > To: 'Kevin Barry' > <krba...@gmail.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>; 'Window-Eyes > Discussion List' > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>; > 'Portia Scott' > <porti...@sbcglobal.net<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>> > Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge > > If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it is > then up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the audio > outputs accordingly. > Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the browser > contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output. > Rick USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>=mi.rr....@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>] > On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM > To: Portia Scott > <porti...@sbcglobal.net<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>; > Window-Eyes Discussion List > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>> > Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge > > So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for screen > readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to > anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use the > browser, all else is irrelevant. > >> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk < >> talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>> wrote: >> >> I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was >> saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a lot. >> >> I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at >> the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list. >> >> Portia. >>>> On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk < >>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;> >>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>> Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of >> accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the >> new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by >> releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped. >> There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some >> information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's >> commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to Edge. >>> First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the >>> markup >> language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many >> new elements that have potential to make web pages more accessible and > operable >> from the keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser >> and assistive technology have to implement support for the HTML5 > specification. >> And, the web page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when >> authoring the page. There are more technical complexities involved for >> creating an accessible experience, but this is a good place to start. >>> Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve >> accessibility. A web page author can use the new <main> element to >> indicate the main content on a web page. The web browser can map the > <main> >> element to a landmark element in the accessibility API (application >> programming interface). This API can then communicate to a screen >> reader that there is a main content landmark available on the page. >> The screen reader can provide the user with a hotkey to navigate to >> the main content landmark. As you can see, a carefully orchestrated >> effort must take place in order for accessibility to happen. Okay, >> that is the end of the > lecture. >> Thanks for staying awake. >>> The website www.html5accessibility<http://www.html5accessibility> >>> was >> created to document the current level of HTML5 accessibility support >> in each of the major browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox, Internet >> Explorer and Safari). The website first lists each browser and the >> percentage of HTML5 elements that are accessibly supported. Then, >> there are tables showing > each >> HTML5 element's current support in the major browsers. This website is >> updated frequently. At the beginning of this year, Edge had a score of 0%. >> As of today, it now has a score of 100%. And, it is the only major >> browser that now accessibly supports all HTML5 features. Edge has >> leapfrogged all of the other browsers, even the mighty Firefox which >> had been at the top > of >> the list for quite some time. This robust HTML5 support in Edge is a >> true testament to Microsoft's commitment to accessibility. And, I for >> one give them kudos for this outstanding accomplishment. 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For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com it sounds like much progress is being made I would say give people a chance used to be that near it it was the horrible this thing around and now it's bearable you can at least do some work with itto make sure that other screen readers that work better can be started or worked with and I'm I think I'm ready to go up to get Windows 10 just I'm not really brave enough to do it on my own but I think I'm about ready to do that since it's getting better and better.s _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. 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