do a full system backup before it upgrades itself then you can go back if you
don't like it.
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From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 1:50 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition
What I find disturbing and quite frustrating is that we have to do all
this, just to install a version of Windows. I fully understand that
Microsoft has a lot of work on their hands, releasing a major update to
an operating system is more work than I can possibly imagine. However,
so many people, including me, are having this issue when atempting to
install the anniversary update, and it shouldn't be that way. Microsoft
is well aware that third party screenreader companies exist, but I think
they were so excited about their updates to narator, that they
completely forgot about the problems people may experience with other
screenreaders like JAWS and Window-eyes. NVDA isn't included in this
because it doesn't use any kind of a display driver, yet it gets the
work done very well. I'm wondering if AI Squared wouldn't do well to
try to figure out a similar strategy
, so that next time this sort of thing happens there wouldn't be such
frustration? I mean, here it is, August 4th and the update still hasn't
come down for me yet. To be quite honest at this very moment I'm
actually glad it hasn't, given some of the horror stories i've heard
about people who've installed the update. I'm to the point in my life
where I don't want to do any screwing around, I just want stuff to work
and do what it's supposed to. We should not in any way shape or form
have to fiddle around with our computers just to make an update work.
we had to learn about this all on our own, and Microsoft has failed
big-time here. The version I have on my machine of Windows 10 is one of
the most stable versions I've ever seen, but it sounds like this update
is a nightmare. I've heard everything from people having crackly
sounds, to people not being able to log into their pc's, to all kinds of
other stuff. So I must say at this point I really don't want the
update until I can be assured that everything is stable again.
I'm telling you guys, we absolutely should not have to do all this. it
should just work. It should be a case of installing the update, and it
just works. We may need narator to finish the setup process, which i'm
ok with, but all this is just a mess.
On 8/4/2016 3:39 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
Hi all.
I find this discussion disturbing, and wonder if we are dealing with some
machine specific behaviours.
I've listened to two podcasts regarding Windows 10. The Main Menu episode
featuring Narrator's improvements did not discuss possible installation of 10
issues. Neither did Jonathan Mosen's "Blind Side" of yesterday, featuring
Geoff Bishop, raise the sorts of problems this list is talking about.
I do agree that it looks as if Microsoft is being incredibly sloppy.
Unless I've missed something, I have not seen in the supplied documentation
for Window-Eyes 9.5 any mention of update issues. I most certainly recall
screen reader companies going to great lengths to describe the need for
removal of screen readers and their drivers when 10 came out last year.
Just hope my update works as I expect it to!
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From: Talk
[mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Friday, 5 August 2016 5:07 a.m.
To: Joseph Norton
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition
I tried, even with the video drivers' from both jfw and window-eyes
"neutralized" in device manager, using narrator and / or NVDA, but they had
to be un-installed before I had any joy yesterday.
MicroSoft is sloppy too since someone should have known about this, in fact
staff at both VFO / AI-Squared should have known that windows' 7 updater as
such from last year were using a version of the video drivers that, though
they work fine with the earlier version of windows ten from last November,
will not allow the install of the anniversary update.
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:45:16 -0400
"Joseph Norton" <[email protected]> wrote:
Interesting thing about that. I used a copy of the tool I had
downloaded a few months ago, and, it got the earlier version. I had
to go to MicroSoft and get the download from there, which gave me the latest
version.
I can't say anything about my particular system, because I did a fresh
install with the tool, and, didn't have anything other than narrator
running when I upgraded. I'm funny about how I do things like this.
-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:09 AM
To: Don Smith <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition
I; hope that those who did run the tool got the latest updated windows.
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Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA
On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 19:52:12 -0400
Don Smith via Talk <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Gerry:
Ok, I am running windows 10, and we 9.51 And have downloaded the
tool file from micro soft.
By just running the tool file, is that it and the download will start?
Thanks
Don
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