Hi Jim,

I agree with you here.  For example, to open a file, I usually teach the
menu method first, if for example you're in Word, press Alt, then F, then O
then open your file.  I then teach Control-O once they are familiar with
that way of doing it.  So I teach the longest way round first, then
gradually get the student more efficient.

By the way, Sky's method of opening Word would not work in Windows XP.  So I
always teach a method that will work in all versions of Windows.

Press the Windows key and R, then type Winword.

It works everywhere.

All the best

Steve

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To: Larry Higgins <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

Sky, I would

  like to respectfully disagree with your suggestion.  When I was taking an
algebra class in college, my professor would give several methods for
solving problems.  A lot of students didn't like this.  I happen to be in
the minority.  I liked it, because if one method didn't work I would have
another method to try.  For example, some students liked to use graphing to
solve a problem while I preferred using the quadratic formula to solve
problems when that was possible. I feel that the more ways we have to solve
an issue the better off we are.  OK, I understand that for a beginner too
many ways might be a bit confusing, but as long as one isn't overwhelmed
with info, having more than one way to solved a problem deffinetly works
well for me!  Just another suggestion.  Have A Good 1! de <KF8LT><Jim>.
On 30-Aug-16 21:23, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> Sorry Sky, but I just can't resist. Are you applying for the position
> <smile>?
>
> On 8/30/2016 7:44 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Well, Steven Klower does the Window-Eyes tutorials, but I have a few
>> suggestions for how the tutorials could be improved.
>>
>> 1. When training clients, I always stick to one way of doing things. 
>> What
>> that means, is I only do one method of showing the clents how to do 
>> things.
>> Showing multiple ways can often clutter up the mind of the person who is
>> learning any screen reader, such as Window-Eyes.
>>
>> 2. The tutorials need to be presented in a easier-to-understand 
>> language. It
>> should provide steps for accomplishing things, such as, to open up 
>> Microsoft
>> word, do the following.
>>
>> 1. press the windows logo key. The windows logo key is located on the 
>> bottom
>> left side of the keyboard, next to the left control key.
>>
>> 2. Type in the words word to open up Microsoft word.   Once you do that,
>> Window-Eyes will say your version number of office word, such as 
>> 2010, 2013,
>> or 2016.
>>
>> 3. After typing in the words word, press enter to open up Microsoft 
>> office
>> word 2010.
>>
>> I would also suggest that the manual be re-written in an easier to
>> understand language. I have read the manual and to me it doesn't 
>> sound like
>> it is written in an easier to understand language for some people.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On
>> Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:15 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?
>>
>> Hello, who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone? 
>> .would
>> anybody know?
>>
>>
>> Charlie Short
>>
>>
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