Hi Nick: Like you, there was a time, not too long ago, when I was determined not to buy an IPhone or an IPad, in fact, I used to refer to all IDevices as "OICrap". A couple of years ago, however, I got an IPhone. I became convinced that that was the way to go, especially since I commute to work on the bus. Anyway, I read as much as I could about the device before I got it. There is a verry good resource called Applevis.com which has a lot of information on all Apple products. Anyway, my IPhone is still working well and I am still enjoying it.
Kevin Huber On 3/17/17, Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Without veering too much off topic, is there some preliminary advice you > can give for trying to learn how to navagate a touch screen? Full > disclosure, I'm a button man. > > On 3/17/2017 9:34 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: >> I was one of lthose who thought I would never want a touch screen >> device. I started llistening to a podcast about the ipod touch. The >> more I listened, I said to myself, I want one. I was amazed with what >> Apple did with accessibility on a touch screen device. So in 2010, I >> bought a ipod touch 4th generation and Haven't looked back. I like the >> fact I can buy a off the shelf device and do everything I would do with >> a specialized player and a whole lot ;more. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen >> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:11 AM >> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Reeva Webb ; Dennis Long >> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account >> >> I understand that. And that is great, for you. I just can't deal with >> touch screens. Give me buttons to push. As I said in an earlier note, >> the same solution isn't for everyone. You guys and your i whatevers >> think they solve the world's access problems. Perhaps for some they do. >> I can't figure out how to run my IPod. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, Russ Kiehne >> via Talk wrote: >> >>> In my case, my ipad mini 4 has taken the place of my victor reader >>> stream first generation, Booksense standard and plextalk pocket. It >>> has more volume, better battery life and better sound. It does >>> everything they do and a lot more. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Reeva Webb via Talk >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long >>> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account >>> >>> You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had >>> in the >>> past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a >>> electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook >>> and soon windows computers with accessibility out of the box. You don't >>> have to spend extra money unless you want to. While what is happening >>> with >>> zt fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm >>> seriously considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find >>> myself using my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less. >>> >>> >>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised >>> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho >>> >>> Reeva >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk" >>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I agree with you completely! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM >>> To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account >>> >>> Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a >>> touch >>> screen. They are not for everyone. I think blind folks fall into that >>> worse than any group. if it works for me, it is great for everyone.... >>> 73 >>> Butch >>> WA0VJR >>> Node 3148 >>> Wallace, ks. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >>> >>>> I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will >>>> become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more >>>> things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market >>>> for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I >>>> phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet >>>> searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece >>>> of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of >>> time. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>>> Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account >>>> >>>> Greetings all. >>>> >>>> I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB. >>>> We are promised CSUN updates in April. >>>> >>>> In the 21st Century, and with our accessible technology industry >>>> going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the >>>> pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO >>>> leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible >>> information sources. >>>> >>>> Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain >>>> blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it >>>> iehter. >>>> >>>> One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that >>>> although often people exchange useful information, the leadership >>>> fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its >>>> developments in the specialty area of access. 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