Greetings,
When ever I attempt to update Aps in WE, I get a message that update failed.
Using Windows 10 and the latest version of WE. Also, using Office 2016 and
I get some funky behavior on occasion. Any input appreciated. Bob Garrett
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:55:19 +0000
From: Manny Gee <mauima...@hotmail.com>
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Aloha to all,
I too am in the same boat.
I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over to
Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the voice-over.
I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.
I have a jaws question.
Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.
Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.
Good luck to all,
Manny
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:32:40 -0500
From: "Tony C" <tch...@mediacombb.net>
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Considering Voice over
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Hi, II have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands and
35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too.
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Aloha to all,
I too am in the same boat.
I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over to
Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the voice-over.
I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.
I have a jaws question.
Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.
Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.
Good luck to all,
Manny
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:34:54 +0000
From: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
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Hi Tony,
Actually, that is a little bit of a misconception.
If you buy the apple magic keyboard with numeric keypad, there are a lot of
dedicated navigation keys.
Also, you can do quite a bit with control option and the arrow keys for
navigation.
Best,
Rod
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Hi, II have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands
and 35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too.
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Aloha to all,
I too am in the same boat.
I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going
over to Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and
the voice-over.
I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.
I have a jaws question.
Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.
Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.
Good luck to all,
Manny
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:47:08 +0000
From: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
To: George Savory <gsav...@gmail.com>
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Hi George,
Yes, the Mac Mini is a good choice at $450 US.
I think you?ll be very happy with it.
I recommend the apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad since it has
dedicated navigation keys.
Good luck,
Rod
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 24, 2018, at 12:52 PM, George Savory <gsav...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rod,
I agree with you. I am very comfortable using VoiceOver on my iPhone.
The support is robust just as on Windows.
Using Jaws or Win-Eyes on travel websites, you must select the month
and day of travel. This process was easy using VoiceOver on my iPhone.
It was frustrating with Jaws or Win-Eyes on my desktop. I am sure
support would have been there if Win-Eyes was still around.
Thanks, I will look into the mini Mac.
On 8/24/18, Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
Hi George,
I can't speak to ChromeOS, but, getting back to the matter of Macs,
I'm not sure what you mean by websites that use calendars.
As for keeping track of personal calendar events and reminders, I
find my iPhone a breeze with Siri, such that I don't have to use
anything else but my voice, since I have learn how Siri thinks and
how to edit everything even when I make mistakes.
Of course, I always have the option of editing the calendar and
reminders manually with the touch screen, but this is not very often,
now that my scheduling system is all set up.
As for a Mac computer and the screen reader, at $449 US, you really
can't go wrong picking up a Mac Mini, although many complain about it
being an out-of-date machine.
I see now that I went a bit overboard in buying a Macbook Pro, since,
for me, a Mac Mini would have done the job just fine.
The Mac Mini is simply an aluminum tower which lies flat in the
footprint of a regular size apple pie, and then all you need is a
keyboard and a monitor whose role could be filled nowadays by most
flat-screen TVs and an HDMI cable.
They come standard with a 500 GB spinning hard drive, and VoiceOver
works fine with this setup.
Admittedly, navigating the macOS and editing documents is quite a
different experience, insofar as each control you want to use is not
immediately in focus as we are accustomed to in Windows, requiring a
repetitive process of interacting and un-interacting with each control.
Personally, I have chosen to push myself to get comfortable with
macOS, seeing the benefits of being in the Apple ecosystem even with my
PC.
It all comes down to what you want for yourself, and what you believe
about the manufacturers you want to associate with, and, in this
light, I don't think there are any right or wrong answers.
My wife jokes with me that I always seem happier when I use my Mac
than when I use my comfortable Windows 10 machine.
As I've mentioned before, I always wanted to use a Mac, and so I
suppose I'm still in the grips of my honeymoon with it.
Interesting, though, I still count on having my Windows PC around,
and so maybe I'll always have one.
I will say that Window-Eyes going out of support was the trigger
event which caused me to buy my Macbook Pro, as I sought to diversify
my accessibility toolbox, and even to expand out of the Windows
world, just incase I needed to access websites which Windows screen
readers might have trouble with.
Safari on the Mac has proven to be very robust in my web work, even
though I had some challenges up to quite recently.
However, I've learned the little tricks and the special hotkeys
necessary to access all of the different parts of web pages, and so
now my browsing competence on the Mac is on par with that on Windows
with Firefox, whether I use Window-Eyes or NVDA or Narrator.
Anyway, I'll leave off for now, and wish all of us well as we
navigate this very technical world in which we find ourselves. Smile
All the best,
Rod
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How good is a ChromeBook with web accessibility?
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Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple.
Using VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't
know if Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders;
besides, I won't have to be upgrading a screen reader everytime
there is an upgrade
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 22:43:03 -0400
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Jaws is indeed a good screen reader, but websites like megabus.com require
you to select the month and day you will be travelling. That's where
VoiceOver shines. It is frustrating with Jaws to select the month and day of
travel. I recently had to interact with the U.S.
postal website. Again it was a challenge with Jaws and those drop down
menus. had to revert to Win-Eyes, but VoiceOver gets the job done.
It is the reason I am leaning towards a Mac. I guess an iPad could get
things done too.
On 8/25/18, Manny Gee via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
Aloha to all,
I too am in the same boat.
I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going
over to Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and
the voice-over.
I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.
I have a jaws question.
Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.
Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.
Good luck to all,
Manny
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:34:57 -0400
From: <geo...@optonline.net>
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But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box.
Pam.
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Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
Jaws is a very good screen reader. People need to give it time. You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.
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I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.
Alison
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Subject: Considering VoiceOver
Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:49:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>
To: geodom--- via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
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I agree Pam. I use window-eyes and n v d a when necessary. I've considered
the dark side, but to old to learn new software and a sceen reader.
Window-eyes stil does most of what I need.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.
On Sun, 26 Aug 2018,
geodom--- via Talk wrote:
But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the
box.
Pam.
-----Original Message----- From: Dennis Long via Talk
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To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
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Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
Jaws is a very good screen reader. People need to give it time. You
didn't learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night
either.
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Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it
would mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the
Microsoft operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the
bullet and went over to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the
Windows operating system.
Alison
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Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using
VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if
Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 16:21:16 -0400
From: "Amanda Lee" <amandainparadise...@gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
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I'm stil using Window-Eyes for Office with a current version of Windows 10
so it is still very viable.
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But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box.
Pam.
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Jaws is a very good screen reader. People need to give it time. You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.
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I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.
Alison
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Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader everytime there is an upgrade
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