Hi Tom, Here's the URL to my public DropBox folder where I have, among other things, a zip archive containing the most recent versions of my three Winamp-related apps:
http://bit.ly/2gX64M0 My own archive of the latest versions of the default Window-Eyes apps is here too, as well as the Weather or Not app. Best, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -----Original Message----- From: Talk <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: October 8, 2018 4:42 PM To: rgarrett5--- via Talk <[email protected]> Cc: Tom Kingston <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1 The kind folks over at Freedom Scientific took down the app site. But Carol just posted a Dropbox link to all the apps a day or two ago. If she doesn't see this message I'll do the same because I do have them all in a zip file, somewhere. But of course there are no updates. Although I think Rod has updated some of his. But He'll have to chime in on that front. As for Office 2016. We'll need a little more than "I get some funky behavior on occasion." Regards, Tom On 10/8/2018 8:38 AM, rgarrett5--- via Talk wrote: > Greetings, > > When ever I attempt to update Aps in WE, I get a message that update failed. > Using Windows 10 and the latest version of WE. Also, using Office 2016 and > I get some funky behavior on occasion. Any input appreciated. Bob Garrett > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 4:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1 > > Send Talk mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C473b36d577ec4a3de98e08d62d5e7cee%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636746281173100138&sdata=UdxwckENFfgZYOBQNdvBLtzsJIwPwTXK2D28RTQytCw%3D&reserved=0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Considering Voice over (Manny Gee) > 2. Re: Considering Voice over (Tony C) > 3. Re: Considering Voice over (Rod Hutton) > 4. Re: ChromeBook Accessibility (Rod Hutton) > 5. Re: Considering Voice over (George Savory) > 6. Re: Considering VoiceOver ([email protected]) > 7. Re: Considering VoiceOver (Butch Bussen) > 8. RE: Considering VoiceOver (Amanda Lee) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:55:19 +0000 > From: Manny Gee <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Considering Voice over > Message-ID: > > <dm5pr10mb1723e6bd753951da13b66fc5bc...@dm5pr10mb1723.namprd10.prod.outlook. > com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Aloha to all, > > I too am in the same boat. > > I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over to > Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the voice-over. > > I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac. > > I have a jaws question. > > Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes. > > Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc. > > Good luck to all, > > Manny > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:32:40 -0500 > From: "Tony C" <[email protected]> > To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Considering Voice over > Message-ID: <E7FF89BBE2C4468B916B320514553338@DESKTOPOURA8SM> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, II have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands and > 35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Manny Gee via Talk > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Manny Gee > Subject: Considering Voice over > > Aloha to all, > > I too am in the same boat. > > I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over to > Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the voice-over. > > I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac. > > I have a jaws question. > > Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes. > > Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc. > > Good luck to all, > > Manny > > > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Ftch828%2540media&data=02%7C01%7C%7C473b36d577ec4a3de98e08d62d5e7cee%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636746281173100138&sdata=sYLgNuZq37haKG5mJOowuNDAZ2XiPH%2BCY7Me67FXZVo%3D&reserved=0 > combb.net. > For subscription options, visit > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C473b36d577ec4a3de98e08d62d5e7cee%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636746281173100138&sdata=UdxwckENFfgZYOBQNdvBLtzsJIwPwTXK2D28RTQytCw%3D&reserved=0 > List archives can be found at > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C473b36d577ec4a3de98e08d62d5e7cee%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636746281173100138&sdata=vUse1wiA9BHdwlcg9PH4ANS4KYcR8j7Fd3nA%2FJivKa0%3D&reserved=0 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:34:54 +0000 > From: Rod Hutton <[email protected]> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Considering Voice over > Message-ID: > > <blupr18mb0388659b0f6f8174b7f6e012f5...@blupr18mb0388.namprd18.prod.outlook. > com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Tony, > > Actually, that is a little bit of a misconception. > If you buy the apple magic keyboard with numeric keypad, there are a lot of > dedicated navigation keys. > Also, you can do quite a bit with control option and the arrow keys for > navigation. > > Best, > > Rod > > Sent from my iPod > >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Tony C via Talk <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Hi, II have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands > and 35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Manny Gee via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:55 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Manny Gee >> Subject: Considering Voice over >> >> Aloha to all, >> >> I too am in the same boat. >> >> I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going >> over to Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and >> the voice-over. >> >> I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac. >> >> I have a jaws question. >> >> Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes. >> >> Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc. >> >> Good luck to all, >> >> Manny >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.windo > w-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Ftch828%2540mediacombb.net& > amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5efb8ea820c54b3077ee08d60ae3117d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43 > 5aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636708367693227470&sdata=6HsDLdzaFPHZqcD2qOjqC2D > tECy5p%2F%2BL8d2l0jQyLcE%3D&reserved=0. >> For subscription options, visit >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists >> .window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C0 >> 1%7C%7C5efb8ea820c54b3077ee08d60ae3117d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa >> aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636708367693227470&sdata=EY%2Fte0mqqcjnDMD7DyoMC9cJ >> 1qh5WIjVqfhMmZtqpf0%3D&reserved=0 >> List archives can be found at >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists >> .window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01 >> %7C%7C5efb8ea820c54b3077ee08d60ae3117d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa >> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C636708367693383722&sdata=s5vjmq%2Bg5KouFbbJ7gNQdTyYm >> 0SK319zXPOSCJgXtXo%3D&reserved=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.windo > w-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Frod_hutton%2540hotmail.com > &data=02%7C01%7C%7C5efb8ea820c54b3077ee08d60ae3117d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb4 > 35aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636708367693383722&sdata=9A2nLbYtr2Z9R%2FgTb4ec > CwEWMkok%2B90cezH9CLRvIRs%3D&reserved=0. >> For subscription options, visit >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists >> .window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C0 >> 1%7C%7C5efb8ea820c54b3077ee08d60ae3117d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa >> aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636708367693383722&sdata=DbLkUdC%2BXn14MYgVfiSSDlam >> JdqKb1eP9RsfiRktyl8%3D&reserved=0 >> List archives can be found at >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists >> .window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01 >> %7C%7C5efb8ea820c54b3077ee08d60ae3117d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa >> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C636708367693383722&sdata=s5vjmq%2Bg5KouFbbJ7gNQdTyYm >> 0SK319zXPOSCJgXtXo%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:47:08 +0000 > From: Rod Hutton <[email protected]> > To: George Savory <[email protected]> > Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: ChromeBook Accessibility > Message-ID: > > <blupr18mb03889962db6d8d047f889f55f5...@blupr18mb0388.namprd18.prod.outlook. > com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi George, > > Yes, the Mac Mini is a good choice at $450 US. > I think you?ll be very happy with it. > I recommend the apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad since it has > dedicated navigation keys. > > > Good luck, > > Rod > > > > Sent from my iPod > >> On Aug 24, 2018, at 12:52 PM, George Savory <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Rod, >> I agree with you. I am very comfortable using VoiceOver on my iPhone. >> The support is robust just as on Windows. >> Using Jaws or Win-Eyes on travel websites, you must select the month >> and day of travel. This process was easy using VoiceOver on my iPhone. >> It was frustrating with Jaws or Win-Eyes on my desktop. I am sure >> support would have been there if Win-Eyes was still around. >> Thanks, I will look into the mini Mac. >> >>> On 8/24/18, Rod Hutton via Talk <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi George, >>> >>> I can't speak to ChromeOS, but, getting back to the matter of Macs, >>> I'm not sure what you mean by websites that use calendars. >>> As for keeping track of personal calendar events and reminders, I >>> find my iPhone a breeze with Siri, such that I don't have to use >>> anything else but my voice, since I have learn how Siri thinks and >>> how to edit everything even when I make mistakes. >>> Of course, I always have the option of editing the calendar and >>> reminders manually with the touch screen, but this is not very often, >>> now that my scheduling system is all set up. >>> As for a Mac computer and the screen reader, at $449 US, you really >>> can't go wrong picking up a Mac Mini, although many complain about it >>> being an out-of-date machine. >>> I see now that I went a bit overboard in buying a Macbook Pro, since, >>> for me, a Mac Mini would have done the job just fine. >>> The Mac Mini is simply an aluminum tower which lies flat in the >>> footprint of a regular size apple pie, and then all you need is a >>> keyboard and a monitor whose role could be filled nowadays by most >>> flat-screen TVs and an HDMI cable. >>> They come standard with a 500 GB spinning hard drive, and VoiceOver >>> works fine with this setup. >>> Admittedly, navigating the macOS and editing documents is quite a >>> different experience, insofar as each control you want to use is not >>> immediately in focus as we are accustomed to in Windows, requiring a >>> repetitive process of interacting and un-interacting with each control. >>> Personally, I have chosen to push myself to get comfortable with >>> macOS, seeing the benefits of being in the Apple ecosystem even with my > PC. >>> It all comes down to what you want for yourself, and what you believe >>> about the manufacturers you want to associate with, and, in this >>> light, I don't think there are any right or wrong answers. >>> My wife jokes with me that I always seem happier when I use my Mac >>> than when I use my comfortable Windows 10 machine. >>> As I've mentioned before, I always wanted to use a Mac, and so I >>> suppose I'm still in the grips of my honeymoon with it. >>> Interesting, though, I still count on having my Windows PC around, >>> and so maybe I'll always have one. >>> I will say that Window-Eyes going out of support was the trigger >>> event which caused me to buy my Macbook Pro, as I sought to diversify >>> my accessibility toolbox, and even to expand out of the Windows >>> world, just incase I needed to access websites which Windows screen > readers might have trouble with. >>> Safari on the Mac has proven to be very robust in my web work, even >>> though I had some challenges up to quite recently. >>> However, I've learned the little tricks and the special hotkeys >>> necessary to access all of the different parts of web pages, and so >>> now my browsing competence on the Mac is on par with that on Windows >>> with Firefox, whether I use Window-Eyes or NVDA or Narrator. >>> Anyway, I'll leave off for now, and wish all of us well as we >>> navigate this very technical world in which we find ourselves. Smile >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> Sent from Outlook for Windows >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk >>> <[email protected]> On Behalf >>> Of George Savory via Talk >>> Sent: August 23, 2018 7:45 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: George Savory <[email protected]> >>> Subject: ChromeBook Accessibility >>> >>> How good is a ChromeBook with web accessibility? >>> >>>> On 8/23/18, George Savory <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Listers, >>>> Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be >>>> updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. >>>> Using VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't >>>> know if Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; >>>> besides, I won't have to be upgrading a screen reader everytime >>>> there is an upgrade >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.windo > w-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Frod_hutton%2540hotmail.com > &data=02%7C01%7C%7C751de2151f664682778e08d6095285e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb4 > 35aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636706647364490626&sdata=RjLn2ZSdOcxPGxPHdTXtZl > Ku6JrDb5MISEpViznHyZ4%3D&reserved=0. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist >>> s.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7 >>> C01%7C%7C751de2151f664682778e08d6095285e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaa >>> aaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636706647364490626&sdata=1fspJd331q0mCEuw3gK%2F >>> XzRTsbCo0XJmcQMnw8x84lI%3D&reserved=0 >>> List archives can be found at >>> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist >>> s.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C >>> 01%7C%7C751de2151f664682778e08d6095285e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa >>> aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636706647364490626&sdata=qG2ZsB7lWU2byd9do5tnmez >>> %2B9VCtEi4XgoJtIk1AzjU%3D&reserved=0 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.windo > w-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fgsavory%2540gmail.com& > data=02%7C01%7C%7C86dbd7eb9bd34b27227f08d609e1fbb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaa > aaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636707263519949475&sdata=KE52zZC36s%2Bw%2FnuDD03FpFH > KDFhtUjR5lwIIxL%2Fh6O4%3D&reserved=0. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist >>> s.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7 >>> C01%7C%7C86dbd7eb9bd34b27227f08d609e1fbb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaa >>> aaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636707263519949475&sdata=hKVkxJpf8VqSMTCGu2s6iq >>> frArIY%2F97KhZhtyPR9wPw%3D&reserved=0 >>> List archives can be found at >>> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist >>> s.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C >>> 01%7C%7C86dbd7eb9bd34b27227f08d609e1fbb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa >>> aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636707263519949475&sdata=BVzjUHTV7wMTghfbsN6lEsa >>> oiwLGqorkaG8678mQIqo%3D&reserved=0 >>> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 22:43:03 -0400 > From: George Savory <[email protected]> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> > Cc: Manny Gee <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Considering Voice over > Message-ID: > <cans13ke_3ckkpfsh0xobq1br9j5ggww1a-ixk1wr8msngob...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Jaws is indeed a good screen reader, but websites like megabus.com require > you to select the month and day you will be travelling. That's where > VoiceOver shines. It is frustrating with Jaws to select the month and day of > travel. I recently had to interact with the U.S. > postal website. Again it was a challenge with Jaws and those drop down > menus. had to revert to Win-Eyes, but VoiceOver gets the job done. > It is the reason I am leaning towards a Mac. I guess an iPad could get > things done too. > > On 8/25/18, Manny Gee via Talk <[email protected]> wrote: >> Aloha to all, >> >> I too am in the same boat. >> >> I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going >> over to Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and >> the voice-over. >> >> I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac. >> >> I have a jaws question. >> >> Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes. >> >> Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc. >> >> Good luck to all, >> >> Manny >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fgsavory%2540gmai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C473b36d577ec4a3de98e08d62d5e7cee%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636746281173100138&sdata=jp7itrqBMqU50%2BY60BNF5Z5IbS9u0K5ebIQT2k1Fmwg%3D&reserved=0 > l.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C473b36d577ec4a3de98e08d62d5e7cee%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636746281173100138&sdata=UdxwckENFfgZYOBQNdvBLtzsJIwPwTXK2D28RTQytCw%3D&reserved=0 >> List archives can be found at >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C473b36d577ec4a3de98e08d62d5e7cee%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636746281173100138&sdata=vUse1wiA9BHdwlcg9PH4ANS4KYcR8j7Fd3nA%2FJivKa0%3D&reserved=0 >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:34:57 -0400 > From: <[email protected]> > To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver > Message-ID: <5E6DEEE011F7473781F83DBF946ED07F@PamelaPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box. > > Pam. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Long via Talk > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Cc: Dennis Long > Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver > > Jaws is a very good screen reader. People need to give it time. You didn't > learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of CJ&AA MAY via Talk > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Cc: CJ&AA MAY > Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver > > I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would > mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft > operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over > to Jaws. > Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as > challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows > operating system. > > Alison > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of George Savory via Talk > Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57 > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> > Cc: George Savory <[email protected]> > Subject: Considering VoiceOver > > Listers, > Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I > am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my > iPhone with Safari works perfectly. 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I use window-eyes and n v d a when necessary. I've considered > the dark side, but to old to learn new software and a sceen reader. > Window-eyes stil does most of what I need. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, > geodom--- via Talk wrote: > >> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the > box. >> Pam. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Jaws is a very good screen reader. People need to give it time. You >> didn't learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night > either. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of CJ&AA MAY via Talk >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: CJ&AA MAY >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver >> >> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it >> would mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the >> Microsoft operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the >> bullet and went over to Jaws. >> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as >> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the >> Windows operating system. >> >> Alison >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk <[email protected]> >> On Behalf Of George Savory via Talk >> Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: George Savory <[email protected]> >> Subject: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Listers, >> Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be >> updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using >> VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. 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People need to give it time. You didn't > learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of CJ&AA MAY via Talk > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Cc: CJ&AA MAY > Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver > > I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would > mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft > operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over > to Jaws. > Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as > challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows > operating system. > > Alison > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of George Savory via Talk > Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57 > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> > Cc: George Savory <[email protected]> > Subject: Considering VoiceOver > > Listers, > Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I > am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my > iPhone with Safari works perfectly. 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