On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:53:53 +1000, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, David Paleino<d.pale...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'd like to start discussion on the deprecation of the Tag:highway=stop in > > favour of using stop=yes/both/-1. > > First impression: the value of the tag is extremely ambiguous, and in > no way self-explanatory. I don't like it at all.
It has the same values as oneway=*. If you use Key:oneway, you know how to use Key:stop. > > The first usage is putting highway=stop in the node where ways intersect: > > this is not right, since that intersection represents (more-or-less) the > > center of the junction, and I've never seen a stop sign in the middle of a > > junction ;-) > > I don't see a problem with this. As far as I'm concerned, highway=stop > does not represent a particular stop *sign*, but rather the effect of > the stop sign - i.e. the fact that vehicles must stop before > proceeding through the intersecting node. Aren't we tagging what we see in the real world? I'm of the opposite opinion, we tag stop *signs* (horizontal or vertical signs), and we're trying to relate those signs to the junction they have effect on. > [..] > Overall, I admire the attempt to avoid having a use a relation - but > to convince me, the meaning of the tag must be self-explanatory. Read above :-) > How about stop=at_last_node, stop=at_first_node and > stop=at_first_and_last_node? More verbose, but a lot clearer than > yes/-1/both. That can be done too. More concise: stop=first (-1) stop=last (yes) stop=both (both) > Also, I would remove the references to stop "signs" - replace with > references to the requirement to stop - this is, after all, the > characteristic of the way that is being tagged, not the fact that > there is a sign near the way. ACK. > In Australia, for example, I believe a stop "line" (solid white line) has the > same legal effect as a stop "sign". That's in Italy too. Kindly, David -- . ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 ----|---- http://snipr.com/qa_page `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174
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