On 10/09/2009, at 9:01 PM, Sybren A. Stüvel wrote: > Perhaps my perspective is very Dutch, as here in NL you are always > allowed to walk on a cycleway. When a pedestrian sees a cycleway on > the map she'll know that she can walk on it and use it as a footpath. > However, when a cyclist sees a footpath on the map, he'll assume he > won't be allowed to cycle there.
> The standard mapping in NL boils down to: > > - Only pedestrians allowed => highway=pedestrian > - Also cyclists allowed => highway=cycleway This is where it starts to run into the "what does designated mean?" argument :-\ I would agree that if there is a sign/symbol indicating you can ride there (bicycle=designated) and not a sign for pedestrian traffic, then it's a cycleway. Are the ones you're allowed to cycle on signed as such? The problem is when there is no signage - for example in some parts of Australia (ACT), you can ride on footpaths unless it's signed otherwise [0]. Simply following the above rule would mean that 99% of the footpaths are marked highway=cycleway, which I think would be silly since although you can ride on them, they are primarily meant for foot traffic. I also seem to recall somewhere (Germany?) where you can't walk on designated cycleways without a sign indicating you can. I don't really want to get into this argument again, but I believe that either we're going to end up with local rules for the access mappings, or some regions are going to have to tag every single cycleway/footway with overrides. Personally, I think the former is better because it's a lot less work and there are going to be other things that need local interpretations - such as whether highway=residential should be practically treated as access=destination for the purposes of vehicle routing. [0] I didn't know that earlier, but someone mentioned it in the last debate and it did explain why cyclists kept almost running into me when I lived in Canberra. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
