Hi,
first of all, I appreciate the ongoing work of the DWG in general and
Fredrik in particular to detect, discuss, and handle mass edits
resembling mechanical edits. I will get to them in a separate thread.
What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or
other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning
name tags in their language to thousands of places in, say, the UK.
Where do you draw the limit?
[...]
Yes, I've thought about that; name:en is very useful for me but
ultimately, if the locals don't use it, then it isn't "on the ground",
and then it shouldn't be in OSM really.
I happened to drive through Belgium a few days ago, heading home. A good
approximation of home in this case is "name"="Köln". Actually, I found a
street sign (150 km away from "Köln") that reads "Keulen". Should I have
followed it or not?
Luckily, in the offline database on my device, the object with
"name"="Köln" had a tag "name:nl"="Keulen". So I know that the sign is
referring to my desired destination.
Please note that
- I had no internet connectivity in that situation, hence "wikidata",
any other external database or even non-copied OSM data was not an option.
- I'm not citing the English name of the object in this mail to avoid
redundancy. Is it worth it?
- No street sign within the extend of the object "name"="Köln" displays
"Keulen", hence it is not "on the [local] ground".
- Not even a street sign within the Netherlands does display "Keulen"
(although associated with ISO code "nl"). They show "Köln".
- I myself live slightly outside the cultural perimeter of "Köln", seen
from "Köln" themselves. Hence, I might be called "non-local" in a
borderline strict sense.
So in total: Is it really a gain to remove all "name:XX" tags from
"Köln"? And do we want to discuss such cases again and again with
overzealous self-appointed curators? Please note, the DWG does recognize
when the "on-the-ground" rule is a rule of thumb, but others with an OSM
account might not.
I opt for: If a human mapper decides that it is worth adding "name:XX"
to an object then let him/her do so. All annoying cases are covered by
the mechanical edit policies, we don't need extra strict rules for name
tags.
Best regards,
Roland
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