Yes indeed, otherwise I wouldn't have recorded them.

I'd be happy to hear a better solution for survey points. The naive
approach is to assume that the latitude and longitude of the point in OSM
is the surveyed value, which it should be, but without external
corroboration you can't be sure.

Anyway, my point was it is sometimes appropriate to record explicitly the
latitude and longitude of a point, even though it's redundant. In fact in
that case redundancy is good.

In this general discussion concerning Open Location Code, tagging the
database objects with the OLC is dumb. As soon as someone moves the object
the OLC is wrong. To fix that we could re-tag the object with a new OLC, or
move it back to the place dictated by the OLC. Obviously, we don't want to
move it back (it was moved for a reason), so we could generate a new OLC
tag (from the object's lat/lon), but it's pointless storing that as it can
be easily and trivially calculated on the fly.


On Sat, Aug 11, 2018, 22:23 Andrew Hain <> wrote:

> Do you know whether the latitude and longitude on the plaque are in the
> WGS84 that we use?
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Andrew Errington <>
> *Sent:* 11 August 2018 10:56
> *To:* mmd
> *Cc:* Talk Openstreetmap
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add
> the Open Location Code to the OSM search?
> I tag survey points with latitude and longitude (taken from the plaque on
> the survey marker). Then it is possible to see if they have been moved
> accidentally, and for users to check that they are actually in the surveyed
> location.
> Andrew
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018, 21:24 mmd <> wrote:
> Am 10.08.2018 um 19:46 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone with
> > a bit of understanding of computer programming, data processing and
> > data maintainance that even after ignoring all the arguments in
> > substance that have been voiced this should be universally rejected if
> > for no other reason then because it would make OSM the laughing stock
> > of the whole geodata world.
> With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point:
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