The very painful truth is one does not know what they do not know...sometimes. linda
On Oct 7, 12:21 pm, mistertaterbug <[email protected]> wrote: > There is a lot of ground being covered here that explains a lot of > things WAY better than I could explain it. I am happy to see people > able to express so many aspects of this topic, because it all hits > home. I am sure that it comes as no surprise that I have been less > than cordial on occasion, and I am not proud of being short in my > answers. But at least some of the reasons have been addressed here. > Thanks for being able to see so much and speak out. > > At the Mon Camp this year Jody Stecher suggested to one class that > they were "second-rate music thieves". He said he had been concerned > about this comment because there were a number of folks who looked > alarmed. He also told another class (one I taught with him) very > adamantly to not be boring musicians. Same subject, seems to me. Now, > at first glance, it may appear that Jody was being less than gracious, > but he told me that he had just gotten through reading a book about > the history of music or how music was ruined or some such thing. He > said that he was sure there were at least 50 copies of it sold > nationwide and that he just happened to be one of the few who bought > the book. But his comment about being second-rate music thieves was > based on something he read in the book, which was the suggestion that > we should all be first-rate music thieves instead. So, not having read > the book, a number of the people in his class misunderstood not only > the remark, but also his intent, which actually was to try and inspire > the students to do better. > > On an earlier note, I have a DVD here of Jascha Heifetz doing a master > class with a few budding violinists. It would truly be hard to find > someone who seemed more annoyed and bored by the whole process. Though > I will have to say, it's funny to watch. > Taterbug > > On Oct 6, 8:00 pm, mistertaterbug <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Very good observations/comments, Tud. Hit it on the head, did you? > > Taterbug > > > On Oct 6, 10:45 am, Tud Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > A couple of thoughts... > > > > As to teaching and workshops, a successful teacher needs to have > > > good people skills . Teaching is, in my opinion, an extension of the > > > entertainment biz. I think that in reality, teaching can be as much > > > about counseling, listening and entertaining as it is about real > > > education. Some musicians are good at it and others are not so good. > > > I think really good teaching is as much about getting someone > > > interested and inspired enough to learn on their own as it is to show > > > off a particular tune or lick. Sometimes a musician can do that at a > > > workshop just by hanging around and being a good person. That is what > > > people will remember over the long term...who was nice and who was > > > not. Life is tough being a full time musician. Teaching can be a > > > lucrative sideline to performance so some might be drawn into it due > > > to the pure economic necessity rather than having a call to teach. > > > Hopefully students have the good fortune to cross paths with musicians > > > who want to teach. In the end, we all have the power to vote with our > > > wallets. > > > That being said, I'm of the opinion that you can't teach real > > > bluegrass. While there are lots of books, DVDs lessons, workshops they > > > don't turn out skilled bluegrass musicians. If you really want to do > > > it, no workshop will help. Only time and hard work, listening, > > > practice etc will get you there. Then if you start to be able to make > > > that bluegrass noise, you can get a job with a real band or have the > > > skills to get in with the real players. That is where the next level > > > of education happens. At that point, it is more about honing your > > > craft. If you have to ask how to do it, you don't know it and probably > > > won't get it. > > > > On Oct 6, 9:51 am, Bill Burnette <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hmmm, I stated "based on my one experience, I'm not a fan..." I think > > > > that > > > > indicates that what is to follow is an opinion based on a first > > > > impression > > > > from what I observed. At least that was my intent. > > > > > Bill > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM, David Long <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Bill, > > > > > You have to admit, your comment was more of an assertion rather than > > > > > an > > > > > observation. By all means, deny yourself David's music. It just > > > > > leaves an > > > > > extra seat for those of us who can see beyond these sorts of things. > > > > > > Miles > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Bill Burnette <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> The experience I shared was admittedly a first impression. If I got > > > > >> to > > > > >> know David like you do Mike, my opinion might be changed. My > > > > >> comments were > > > > >> made on the heels of the thread about various people's experiences > > > > >> with > > > > >> Ricky Skaggs, and my one and only experience with David was much the > > > > >> same as > > > > >> many of those relayed in that thread. It was not an interpretation > > > > >> of an > > > > >> answer to one question, it was an observation of the general > > > > >> demeanor of one > > > > >> person in contrast to several other people in the same arena. David > > > > >> may be > > > > >> the greatest person on the planet once you get to know him- but on > > > > >> that > > > > >> particular day, I did not come away with that impression. And yes, > > > > >> were we > > > > >> in a one on one or small group situation, and David, or anyone else, > > > > >> reacted > > > > >> to me or someone else in the group in that manner, I would inquire > > > > >> as to who > > > > >> crapped in their cornflakes that morning. I certainly don't think > > > > >> that I > > > > >> have held anyone up to ridicule- I simply relayed a personal > > > > >> experience. You > > > > >> and others have different experiences- I'm genuinely glad to hear > > > > >> that. > > > > >> Maybe we'll meet someday and become big buddies. > > > > > >> Bill > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:04 AM, mistertaterbug > > > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >>> Agreed. But without knowing what was going on with everyone there, > > > > >>> energy levels, mental state, blah, blah, blah, including David > > > > >>> Grier, > > > > >>> it would be impossible to make a fair call. Could be that your > > > > >>> interpretation of his answer was not entirely accurate, maybe so. > > > > >>> But > > > > >>> I'm sure you wouldn't be willing to say anything here that you > > > > >>> wouldn't be willing to say to David, right? Some people are an > > > > >>> acquired taste. Monroe was for me. Some people have to taken with a > > > > >>> grain of salt. Some are blunt and to the point. I think that you > > > > >>> might > > > > >>> spend some time researching the subject. For example, if I took your > > > > >>> word at face value, then I would not know the other side of David > > > > >>> Grier, the side you apparently have not seen. By the same token, I'd > > > > >>> have to assume that you yourself are actually an "expert" in > > > > >>> computer > > > > >>> networking without doing any research on my own to find out if that > > > > >>> is > > > > >>> the case. > > > > > >>> You are certainly free to like/dislike whomever you wish. David is > > > > >>> known for being straight to the point. He is also known to be one of > > > > >>> the most unique and talented musicians on the planet. If you find > > > > >>> him > > > > >>> to be intolerable, that's your business. Apparently you are in the > > > > >>> minority considering the numbers that come to hear him do what he > > > > >>> does. He is understood by all the people you named on the panel and > > > > >>> he > > > > >>> commands their respect. I have known Grier for a long time and I > > > > >>> suggest to you that you might look deeper at the individual you > > > > >>> ridicule. Or not, it's not up to me to make excuses for the man. > > > > > >>> Glad to hear your team of techs is polite. I run into all sorts of > > > > >>> people that don't give a damn about their jobs or customer > > > > >>> relations, > > > > >>> nor do they know much about what they're selling. > > > > > >>> Bibs > > > > > >>> On Oct 6, 6:34 am, Bill Burnette <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > Mike, > > > > >>> > I'm sure David is a very bright individual. He's also very > > > > >>> > talented and > > > > >>> > accomplished. I don't see how that excuses the behavior that I > > > > >>> witnessed. > > > > >>> > People who attend workshops are seeking to gain some insight or > > > > >>> > learn > > > > >>> > something from the people on the panel. By agreeing to > > > > >>> > participate in > > > > >>> the > > > > >>> > panel, one might think those folks are willing to impart > > > > >>> > something that > > > > >>> > could possibly be of help to the people attending, so I can't > > > > >>> understand > > > > >>> > acting like the questions that are asked of them are stupid or an > > > > >>> > imposition. I am an expert in computers and networking and manage > > > > >>> > a > > > > >>> team of > > > > >>> > techs who support people who are not experts in those areas. If > > > > >>> > any of > > > > >>> us > > > > >>> > acted like people were stupid for seeking help with their computer > > > > >>> problems, > > > > >>> > we would be fired- and we would deserve to be. We might think > > > > >>> > some of > > > > >>> their > > > > >>> > questions are stupid- but we don't let it show. That would just > > > > >>> > be rude > > > > >>> and > > > > >>> > inappropriate. > > > > > >>> > Bill > > > > > >>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM, mistertaterbug < > > > > >>> [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >>> > > Bill, > > > > >>> > > You might do a little thinking on the kinds of questions that > > > > >>> > > are > > > > >>> > > asked in workshops and to whom they're asked. The persons you > > > > >>> > > have > > > > >>> > > named all have spent years learning how to do what they do. > > > > >>> > > Most of > > > > >>> > > the folks you named don't do a lot of workshops because they > > > > >>> > > don't > > > > >>> > > have to. Some to them need the extra income. Some enjoy them, > > > > >>> > > some > > > > >>> > > don't. Workshops are really variable depending on skills levels > > > > >>> > > present, personalities, group size, whether the participants > > > > >>> > > know > > > > >>> each > > > > >>> > > other or not, you name it. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Taterbugmando" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
