Hello Feli,

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:25:57 +0100 GMT (09/Feb/10, 16:25 PM +0700 GMT),
Feli Wilcke wrote:

PVN>>> Do you want TB to use IE to render HTML like so many others?

TF>> Are we discussing again whether or not TB! should display HTML?

FW> I agree with you that TB should display HTML. But then the HTML code
FW> has to be written following the W3C standards. Many pages that don't
FW> display as they should contain HTML errors.

Hm. Being a mere user, I have no idea about HTML errors.

TF>> And I want HTML mails to be displayed correctly, no excuses.

FW> Well, I understand the request but: if you order a cocktail in a bar
FW> and you get something that doesn't follow the recipe, who would you
FW> blame, the recipe or the bartender?

The same cocktail from the same bartender tastes good in the pool
(browser) but awfull in the glass it was delivered in (email client,
as it was an email). As it is the same cocktail prepared by the same
bartender, I blame the vessel it was delivered in.

Wine from a plastic cup tastes different from wine in a proper wine
glass. Don't blame the wine for the awfull taste in the plastic cup.

- Are we now done with metaphors? ;-)

FW> I'm pretty sure that there will always be webpages and HTML messages
FW> that don't show up properly as long as there is a large number of
FW> rendering engines. On the other hand, a tolerant rendering has always
FW> the risk of security issues.

Aha, I wasn't aware of this.

TF>> For me as a user, it is transparent whether they use the IE
TF>> engine. They chose not to, and that is OK with me.

FW> The problem with rendering is that there are still web programmers who
FW> optimize their code for IE 7 or even IE6. Nearly all actual browsers have
FW> problems displaying such pages. Knowing that it makes sense that
FW> windows asks me during updates for IE8 if I want to install also the
FW> compatibility mode for older IE versions.

This is educational, albeit starting to become off-topic.

FW> I'm not a web programmer but I use XML very often. Looking at the
FW> source code of your example shows an incorrect DOCTYPE statement. So,
FW> perhaps this is the root of the unsatisfying display of the HTML?

Maybe, thanks for pointing it out. So my webbrowser is tolerant to
this mistake, but TB! is not. If you can point me to that mistake, I
want to try and edit the mail in a text editor and see whether it
displays correctly after fixing. I do think this is on-topic, as it is
a test concerning the HTML rendering engine in TB!. If there are
objections against testing this on the list, I will be happy to do
this by PM.

TF>> They reported that they have improved something in this beta
TF>> version, and I tested and found a problem. Why are you hitting me
TF>> up for testing a beta version for the apparently fixed problem?

FW> You shouldn't be hit but one of the programmers should explain why
FW> this message doesn't display properly in TB.

I'd like to know.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

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