Greetings Joseph,

          I normally stay pretty quiet on this list, but I thought I'd
          come out of <LURK> mode, and address your comments.

          I feel that 1.54 is the next obvious step.  There are still
          quite a few 1.53 and prior release bugs floating around,
          some of which make regular contributors to this list
          practically foam at the mouth when each new beta or release
          comes out and they aren't fixed. In order for this to be a
          2.0 release, IMHO the outstanding major and a vast majority
          of the minor bugs should be fixed.

          Having said that, and hoping to address the subject
          question, I think 1.49 should definitely be an RC.  In my
          somewhat eclectic reading of the list, a lot of the problems
          recently discussed seem somewhat esoteric, and I think given
          the improvements in the RTV and a few other features, that
          now is the time to distribute the whole program in a
          installable executable. (Just my .02 everyone...)

          As to your complex point on where The Bat! is targeted, I
          think you are absolutely correct in your thought that it is
          really only in use (for the most part) by a dedicated and
          somewhat vocal group of people who not only enjoy its' vast
          capabilities and virtual immunity to the plague of MS
          engendered Macro viruses, but actually LIKE its' somewhat
          dated interface appearance, its' often confusing menu
          options, and its' immensely capable but often hard to use
          Filtering system.

          Having said all that, I <THINK> RITLabs target market are
          the huge number of OE users out there, and they not only
          want, but expect a handholding experience coupled with a
          swank and sexy interface.  Unfortunately The Bat! has a
          slightly dated look. As well, the menu structure is often
          (as mentioned early) complex, and slightly counterintuitive.

          In order to go to 2.0, I think these will have to be
          addressed.  Personally, I think it looks fine, I just
          wish (like many others) that the menus were rationalized
          and simplified, after all of these months of development
          and feature additions.

          Anyway, I've rambled enough...back to <LURK> mode for me...

          Regards,

          Scott...
          
Forget Outlook Express, I use The Bat! 1.54 Beta/49
Supported by: An Abit KT7-RAID with a Thunderbird 900, and 512Megs of RAM.
Burdened by: Windows ME (V 4.90.3000)


->|> The fact that there are some serious bugs remaining, e.g., HTML
->|> rendering and import operations, and the sense among some (not
->|> personally shared here btw) that the program needs a facelift, raise
->|> this in my mind:  not whether B49 is a release candidate, but what
->|> type of release candidate is it?  From 1.53 to 1.54 seems too small an
->|> increase, but it doesn't yet seem like a ver. 2.0.  The reason I raise
->|> this at all, which is not a Beta testing issue but a corporate
->|> marketing issue, is that I think the new release of TB! should be well
->|> tailored to the role that RITlabs wants the program to play in the
->|> world.  If it should continue to be a well designed program for
->|> general use by a small group, which is what it is now, then perhaps
->|> neither a face lift nor any particular numbering scheme matter.  If,
->|> on the other hand, its release is going to be part of a major
->|> marketing push, then version numbers matter.  Facelift, too, I guess,
->|> but I still don't see what's wrong with the current appearance; I'd
->|> say it's more important for widespread acceptance to have the menu
->|> redesigned than the graphics.  All of which brings it full circle:
->|> perhaps it is now or soon will be ready to go as an officially
->|> released 1.6, with the hopes that RITlabls has an interlocked
->|> development and marketing plan for 2.0.

->|> JN


->|>      Dierk Haasis wrote on Saturday, March 16, 2002:

>> Hello Avi!

>> On Saturday, March 16, 2002 at 2:33:02 PM you wrote:

>>> Since TB Beta 39, I have not been able to use the Import Messages tool
>>> to import messages from Outlook Express 6. No matter how many "major"
>>> problems get solved, I don't think TB should be released with a faulty
>>> import tool.

>> I take this as the starting point of my poll. Maybe we can collect the
>> persistent bugs that counter my idea of 154/49 being a release
>> candidate.

>> For me, I still do find some bugs not being fixed. Most of them are
>> merely cosmetic, elusive or special (that is, found in circumstances
>> usually only encountered by power users). Even my pet bugs from the CC
>> fall in these categories.

>> Avi's bug is definitely more serious as it would affect new users but
>> not old timers like me.

>> I know that Thomas F. once had a list of bugs found in the CC. Let's
>> make something else here.


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