Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

On  Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 11:37:31 GMT +0000(which was 1/21/2001 6:37 PM
where you think I live) you told to the list :

[ ... ]

MDP> I  believe  that  Lija's point is that these headers are somewhat
MDP> verbose,  redundant  and  represent a theft of bandwidth, whether
MDP> they  are visible or not. And, do you know, I actually agree with
MDP> (him?).

BC>> I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon.

MDP> I  am shooting the horse indeed, but only on TBUDL and not before
MDP> saying  that  Lija  has my full sympathy and I will be discussing
MDP> the  removal of these headers with Syafril as soon as he emerges.
MDP> Their purpose is moot since TB doesn't support these list traffic
MDP> headers.

I  just  on-line (sorry in normal I was not on-line on Saturday/Sunday
unless my pager beep due Server problem or Marck Wake Up me).

Some  part  of  the  header  for MTA Recipient purpose (especially for
Postmaster)  and me as List Manager just in case the delivering of the
messages  failed.  When  the message from the listserver distribute to
final recipient, not always going stright to final MTA, sometimes goes
first to Relayer (for example bigfoot account do like this).

Some  MTA  tend  to  truncated  the  message content while the message
header  keep  intact  for  further analysis or tracing who responsible
when  Delivery  of  message failed and to whom address the mail to fix
the problem, if not they will treat the message came from the spammer
(UCE) and make blocking (from ListServer POV, blocking is waste the
bandwith resources :-().

Other part of headers is for our (ListServer) purpose.

I  can  truncate  some  headers, such as Original Sender Route to this
listserver  such  EZMLM  ListServer  did,  but  the  weakness  of this
approach,  if  there is problem on message Delivery or others (such as
Message  Duplicating  by  Open Relay MTA etc), I the only one can find
out  the real problem (by reading ListServer logs), it's very hurt due
the  logs size sometimes more than 200 MB size/day and I am not always
online.  With current conditions, all list member can help me or Marck
to find out what's the real problem.

MDP> Having  said  that,  they are part of a standard. I'm not sure if
MDP> it's RFC - anyone know? If so, please reply on TBTECH only.

RFC-2369, we discussed this long time ago on TBBETA list.

Unfortunately  our  TB not supported this RFC yet, so TB can't utilize
those  kind  of  header  (Pegasus  is  one  of the mailer that support
RFC-2369,  if member of this list using Pegasus 3.x, he/she knows what
I meant).

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- Syafril -
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