Hi, all,
On 03/10/1999, at 00:55,
Ali Martin (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
as the numerous people stopped applausing, told them:
AM>>> I don't get it?
>> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean :-(
AM> Open a long message. Scroll with the arrow keys alone and it's the
AM> cursor that takes you through the message. Scroll with the alt+arrow
AM> keys and the scrolling is cursor independent which is much better. You
AM> see it's superiority when you wish to scroll backwards. If you scroll
AM> with only the arrow keys, the cursor has to work it's way from the
AM> bottom to the top of the message window before scrolling actually
AM> starts. Scroll backwards with the alt+arrow keys and the scrolling
AM> starts right away.
Clear.
(What I didn't understood was : "I don't get it?", due to my field
grade English) :)
>>>> It seems simpler than toggling the "scroll" to use the arrows.
>>>> I feel the space bar more ergonomic, even if this is not its normal
>>>> use, than the arrows, even if this is their regular job.
AM>>> The scrollbar moves you from page to page but tell me which you prefer:
AM>>> Open a long html message and scroll through it, or scroll through a
AM>>> webpage on your browser using the arrow keys, or rptd'ly hit the
AM>>> page-down button. Which method makes you read the text more smoothly?
>> Well, I use a mouse scroll wheel :)))
AM> I don't have a scroll-wheel. Alt+arrows produces the same scrolling
AM> effect that I am referring to but for such a commonly used keyboard
AM> shortcut, it's too cumbersome. Just the arrows alone should work.
You're absolutely true.
AM> This is a high level usability discussion here because most e-mail
AM> clients don't provide smooth scrolling capabilities *at all*, but TB
AM> does through the alt+arrow keys. Agent is the only client that I know
AM> which supports cursor independent scrolling using only the arrow keys in
AM> the message view window, while the scroll-lock key switches it to the
AM> cursor mode.
>> ... but I think you're true.
AM>>> I'd say the arrow key method. The page down method isn't as nice at all.
AM>>> Or are you proposing that the spacebar be used for scrolling? If so then
AM>>> that's a no no. The arrow keys are for that.
>> No, I thought you wanted to *replace* the spacebar by the arrows, for
>> doing the same thing.
AM> No, that's not what I mean.
>> For that, I prefer the space. But now, I understand you want to have a
>> *smooth* scrolling, what is an other thing. For people who don't like
>> mice, yes, this may be a comfortable feature.
AM> Your assuming that those who like mice have mice with scroll-wheels on
AM> them.
Well, a scroll-wheeled mouse is less than 10 $, so I think that near
anybody could get one. But I think, too, that each one as the right to
prefer using kbd than mouse wheel, and to ask for an improvement of
its functionality in TB!
AM> IMHO, anyway, it's really nice when you can go through your
AM> messages using the keyboard alone. In fact I don't use the mouse at all
AM> with Agent. I however find that I use the mouse with TB! to scroll
AM> through messages using the scroll-bar. Yuk, but the least of all the
AM> other yukky ways. :-))
>> So, even if *I* will go on with the mouse, why not ?
>> For me, a kind of "reverse space bar", acting like PgUp, would be more
>> useful.
AM> But the PgUp button is already there and works.
A time more, you're true :)))
But, for me, the use of the space bar is far more ergonomic, and I
would like to have the possibility of a reverse move, shift+sp, may,
for me, be the best combination.
You would notice, too, that the PgUp don't skip to the message before
when at the top of the post so, when I hit sp one time too much and go
to the message after, it's a long maneuver to go back.
For me, as I prefer the mouse for smooth scrolling, the reverse "space
barring" would be the interesting feature. But I support your idea, as
it seems to be very convenient for kbd using people.
btw: what is this "agent" you're talking about ?
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Claude.
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