On Friday, August 31, 2001, ::Andrew:: wrote:
A> you use use the ADR (www.mailutilities.com) to send mail. Which would
A> solve my problem. I have since found a free service which would do
A> this for me too (thanks to this thread).
Since I hadn't heard of ADR, I just went to the website to check them
out.
The first problem I see could be quite important to you. You say you
use a free ISP for your connection. You must check first to see if
your provider blocks all outgoing email to port 25 that isn't sent
through their own provider. Many do. Others (I believe Earthlink
does this) automatically redirects all port 25 traffic through their own
email servers no matter what server you're trying to connect.
In other words, when using ADR (or any other program) that sends
directly to the recipient's server as ADR does) the mail will still be
sent through the ISPs server.
If your provider does this (and chances are they do; there'd be no
reason for them to put such restrictions as you mention on their own
servers if they weren't locking other doors as well, since they're
most likely not trying to thwart you, but rather spammers who would
use their connections and packages such as ADR for sending unsolicited
bulk email), then all email will still go out through their server,
subject to their own restriction.
There is a way around this, and I've been researching it. It would be
a combination of a mail-server program (MTA) on your local machine
that uses another port, and a "smart-relay" server that reads the same
port and relays your mail on for you. All email must use port 25 to
get to it's eventual destination, and a pair of servers such as this
would solve the problem.
The problem isn't the software. I currently market a Windows-based
mail-server product to small businesses, some of which have the same
problem you do (verizon here won't forward email if the return address
doesn't match, and one other (I forget their name) even automatically
replaces whatever is in your "from" field with what they have on file
for you <frown>. I can easily distribute a version of the software
that uses another port to transfer email.
The problem is in pricing it and patrolling it. Obviously I couldn't
afford to let spammers use it; I'd end up with my outgoing mail
connections being blacklisted. I'd also have to price it so each user
would pay his/her fair share for email that after all is going through
connections I'm paying for.
A> But it might be worth using a
A> paid for service if the smtp server the mail appears to be from is my
A> domain (which could be anything if you see what I mean).
Do your recipients actually look at the headers to see whose SMTP
server you're using? Mine don't. Since my "home-network" is down
today you can look at the headers to this post and see I sent it
through a "popsite" server. Normally my server says "nobaloney.net",
but that may change; I own a lot of domains <smile>. But my return
address is what people look at.
The reason to pay for a service is so that you know it'll always be
there (free services are failing every day; their business model just
doesn't work in the long run <wry grin>), and so you know you'll get
the service you deserve. If the service is free, you don't get much
"service" <smile>.
A> see below my domain is andema.co.uk so ideally I'd like the smtp
A> server to appear to be smtp.andema.co.uk. If you ctrl+shift+k your
A> mail you'll see the header and should see if your domain is listed as
A> the smtp server in the header.
Most people don't do it.
If that becomes important to you, look at my two-step method above,
and talk me into implementing it <smile>. Then the first "Received:"
header (the lowest one) will show your "andema.co.uk" and the next
"Received:" header will show mine. Since it's the first server that's
yours, this would fill your need.
First thing to do is check to see if you can send email out on port
25. You can do it using telnet from a command prompt. Find out the
name of a known smtp server not on your network. Then:
C:\> telnet smtp.servername.com 25
If you get a reply from the mail-server, you CAN send port 25 email
using ADR or other packages. If you get an error message, or if the
server that replies appears to be your ISPs server, then you can't.
(Don't use smtp.nobaloney right now; the server is "down" <frown>.)
A> thanks for try anyway :)
You're welcome <smile>.
Jeff
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Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED])
www.nobaloney.net
Services to and for Internet Professionals
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