Dear Simon, On 15:58 04.12.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote...
> Huh? What are you on about exactly? To speak on a bit more ironical terms, the fact that my mail server accepts mails from you is a priviledge, not a right. Please don't think it is targeted at you, you're just an example there. Broader one: AOL does not accept mail from dialups. They deny to dial-up users the priviledge to send mail directly to their servers. And you will laugh, they have the right to do that ;) See what I mean? > I don't know about others here, but I pay quite a bit of money each year for > seperate hosting services, on top of the fee I pay to my ISP for an always > on connection - and I only use my ISP as an Internet gateway; I don't use > any ISP web or mail services. All my mail and web hosting services are paid > for, by me, on a yearly basis, to an independant hosting company....and even > then, the majority of my mail is managed by my local mail server, which I > manage. Privilege? I don't think so! So basically you're your own postmaster, as Schlund/1&1 where you host your domain sends you all messages directed towards it. Which sender does your Mailwasher bounce use? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>? Let me bet that you already got spams there. Wonder how? Well, you verified the address. See, there's another mail client, OS X Apple Mail, that supports "bouncing". But this nifty client even leaves an X-header to tell you where the message comes from. Plus, every message that *YOU* generate and send will be different from a real bounce, both generated at receive time by a negative recipient verify, or by your ISPs MTA. You just cannot generate a real looking bounce message with an MUA ;) > On a fairly small scale operation I can see that as being true. On a large > scale operation, I can't. As you bounced off the spam, and the spam bounced because again you failed to recognize a spoofed spammer address, your postmaster gets the mail in his inbox. He will look ;) You'd wonder, as a REAL bounce has a sender of <>, yeah you're reading right, a so called NULL sender, which no client can generate, a double bounce would not be seen and trashed directly. But as your Mailwasher/Apple Mail etc. submit a faked sender, it will double bounce back. > That's your *privilege* of course. However, I can't see everyone taking the > same approach as you, unless of course there were compelling reasons to > implement superstrict guidlines for a group of users. No. I bet that no ISP support desk will sit calm if you start to mail around using their email address "postmaster@". Whadda ya do if I'd start bouncing all mails, eg false deliveries from the TB lists, with a sender of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", so that your inbox is flooded? :) Cheers, Johannes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Illinois isn't exactly the land that God forgot -- it's more like the land He's trying to ignore. ________________________________________________ Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
