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Hi Thomas,
In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 26 Sep 2003 23:29:55  (my local time 18:29:55), you typed:
>> This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is
>> visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to
>> find the button for the template dialog. It's doable, but could get
>> better.

TF> I will just put in the bug report that "tab" doesn't do what it
TF> should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? -


I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where
the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion.


TF>>> Message Depatcher:

TF>>> List boxes can still not be seen.

>> Correction: the list boxes are perfectly navigable, but the check
>> boxes for read, open, delete and fetch aren't recognized. This was
>> trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked.

TF> Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty
TF> unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which
TF> doesn't require to "train" Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't
TF> run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself.

I don't really know what you mean by "standard that doesn't require
training", so can't say for sure if this is a bug and where it lies.
The controls in the dispatcher are non-windows-standard, which means
that a screen reader could have difficulties recognizing controls for
what they are. In Jaws, it was possible to label the graphics for
checked and unchecked status, thereby one could get the right info, in
Hal, it's a little bit trickier, see below.

>> I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21,
>> (http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk) the screen reader i'm using, but i will
>> and get back with a report on how this goes.

TF> I'm looking forward to your report. I will also check out whether Hal
TF> runs on my computer (if they offer a trial version, that is).

They indeed offer a demo version so it shouldn't be any problems
testing it. The demo is located at: http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk or if
that doesn't work try www.dolphinuk.com.
The trainability wasn't that good in Hal. I'd hoped that the check
controls could be recognized as untrained objects, but from the tiny
test i did, it appears that it didn't. I guess it's a matter of
labeling graphics even in Hal.



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